How Long Is Forever ?
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When the Bible says that the fires of hell will burn forever, how long is that? Does that mean that the fire never goes out, or is the Bible WRONG? I recently read a page that claimed the fires will not burn forever; although the Bible says they are unquenchable, this person declared that the Bible was simply wrong. That is, the fire was unquenchable; nothing could put it out, but when the matter in the fire burned up, there was nothing left to burn, so then the fire went out for lack of stuff to burn. Could that be true? Can you back that up with Scripture? The Bible NEVER will contradict itself; God will NEVER contradict His own word. So can you back that up with Scripture?

How long is Eternity?

Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to EVERLASTING life, others to shame and EVERLASTING contempt. (Daniel 12 : 2)

Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the ETERNAL fire”... then they will go away to ETERNAL punishment... (Matt 25 : 41, 46)

“Whoever believes in the Son has ETERNAL life...” (John 3 : 36)

“I tell you the truth, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has ETERNAL life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.” (John 5 : 24)

“My sheep listen to My voice: I know them, and they follow Me. I give them ETERNAL life and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of My hand.” (John 10 : 27, 28)

“The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for ETERNAL life.” (John 12 : 25)

...and all who were appointed (predestiny) for ETERNAL life believed. (Acts 13 : 48)

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is ETERNAL life in Christ Jesus our LORD. (Romans 6 : 23)

He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our LORD Jesus. They will be punished with EVERLASTING destruction and shut out from the presence of the LORD and from the Majesty of His power. (2 Thess. 1 : 8-9) Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance... and ETERNAL judgment. (Hebrews 6 : 1, 2)

...once made perfect, He became the source of ETERNAL salvation for all who obey Him... (Hebrews 5 : 9)

...but He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by His own blood, having obtained ETERNAL redemption. (Hebrews 9 : 12)

For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised ETERNAL inheritance... (Hebrews 9 : 15)

May the God of peace, who through the blood of the ETERNAL covenant brought back from the dead our LORD and Jesus... (Hebrews 13 : 20)

And the God of all grace, who called you to His ETERNAL glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will Himself restore you... (1 Peter 5 : 10)

See that what you heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what He promised us - even ETERNAL life. (1 John 2 : 24-25)

And this is the testimony: God has given us ETERNAL life, and this life is IN His Son. He who has the Son has life, he who does not have the Son of God DOES NOT HAVE LIFE. (1 John 5 : 11-12)

And the angels who… abandoned their own home - these He has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of ETERNAL FIRE. (Jude 6-7)

And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest, day or night... (Revelation 14 : 11)


You see that the same word used to describe hell is the same word used to describe heaven. So this person, who claims that the Bible is wrong, who says that although the Bible SAYS hell is forever, it doesn’t really mean forever, must be forced to conclude that by his definition, heaven isn’t forever either. Do you believe that?

Listen now; get this and do not miss it. Adam and Eve were created perfect. They were perfect spiritually, mentally, and physically; they were 100% PURE PERFECTION. They were created to live forever, and they were told to be fruitful and multiply. They were created to live forever. SO WERE YOU. We did not choose to be born, but we were born in sin. When we were old enough to choose, we chose to sin. We are sinners by birth and by choice. When we step out of this flesh, we will step into the Eternity we have chosen. When Time ends, we will stand before God, and we will be in the body we are in now, only this body will be changed. It will no longer be perishable flesh; it will be the perfect, indestructible body it was meant to be. From that point, some will enter Eternity in the presence of God forever, and some will enter Eternity NOT in the presence of God forever. Those are your two choices.

DEAL WITH IT.

Have you ever burned your finger? It was nasty, wasn’t it? The skin turned red, and it hurt like crazy for days. That was one inch of flesh, and it did change color. Separation from God is clearly defined as flames that will engulf the whole body. These flames will burn forever, and you will feel them, just like you would imagine, but your flesh will not be damaged at all. Can you back that up with Scripture?

And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest, day or night (Read Revelation 14… these are people who have chosen the mark, these are NOT angelic beings being spoken of.) …those who suffer the punishment of ETERNAL FIRE.

Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh Day Advents claim that hellfire is not everlasting. They claim that the concept goes against God’s loving nature. That is because they don’t have a Bible, so they don’t know God’s word. God has no wrath? Don’t take me there. I wrote down WRATH and noted every reference to God’s wrath in my reading. I haven’t even started yet, and there are far too many to note here. READ THE BOOK. They believe that people are like paper on a fire; put them in, and they go POOF and are gone. That is wishful thinking. Can you back that up with Scripture? Not unless you write your own bible like they did.

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So what about the rich man and Lazarus? This person claimed that you do not go to hell when you leave your body; you go to the grave and wait for judgment. You neglect to differentiate between the fire of hell and the fire of the lake. Scripture says that at the very end, hell will be cast into the lake of fire. There is no waiting for flame. If you reject Jesus Christ, you step into the fire you have chosen. As Paul says, now that Jesus has been resurrected and glorified, …away from the body, home with the Lord. (2 Corinth 5) And as Scripture says, …away from the body without choosing Jesus, IN THE FIRE. Can you back that up with Scripture? Yes I can, thank you for asking.

“There was a rich man who was dressed fine and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In HELL, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. (Luke 16)

(Please remember, God created man to spend eternity with him. He never had a plan for Man to be apart from Him. Hell was created for the angels, the angelic beings cast out of heaven (see the New Testament gospel of Matthew). Hell was not created for us. However, there is simply two places to spend eternity : with God, or without Him. So we must choose.)


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What does this (Luke) teach us? First, it is NOT a parable, it is an open window into hell, for real. How do we know?

Name somebody in a parable... The sower? (no names)... the tenants? (no names)... the Good Samaritan? (no names)... the rich fool? (no names)... the woman mixing yeast? (no names)... the man buying the field (no names)... the man buying the pearl (no names)... the woman who lost a coin (no names)... the shrewd manager (no names)... the fishermen sorting fish (no names)... the man building on the rock (no names)... the man building on the sand (no names)... on and on and on... there is one observed rule in a parable... they all have no names. This is NOT a parable. Don’t miss the fact that Jesus Himself is saying this. He said the rich man was IN HELL. You want to tell Jesus that He is simply wrong there? If Jesus was speaking to His disciples, we know the time frame for Lazarus was somewhere between Adam and Eve and the cross. And because Jesus said it, we know it is real.

DO NOT tell the Bible what it is saying. Be humble enough to let the Bible TELL YOU what it is saying.


Let me close with this story.

There was a staff meeting in hell. Satan wanted to have a high body count, and wanted to go over some strategies with his friends. They all sat around the table trying to come up with the most effective way of killing people. One demon said, “I’m gonna go tell people that Jesus is not the Son of God really; He was just a good teacher.” That got some applause, but Satan said, “NO, that won’t work. Some will buy it, but too many people heard Him say that He was God. That won’t work.”
Another one said, “I’m gonna tell them that He never really died on the cross.” Satan said, “No, that won’t work; too many people saw Him die.” One said, “I’ll tell them that He never rose again.” That brought a few cheers, but Satan shook his head. “No, that will never work. Hundreds of people saw Him rise.”

There was a long silence. Suddenly a soft voice arose from the back of the room.

“I want to tell them that Jesus Christ is God the Son, just like He said. I’ll tell them He died, and rose again. I’m gonna tell them that He was right, they have to choose to be born again; they have to invite Him in. I’m going to tell them that He is coming back, and they will spend Eternity in His presence, or Eternity NOT in His Presence.” There was a low, angry sound of thousands of demons growling in rage and hatred, until he concluded,

…“but I’m going to tell them that they don’t have to choose TODAY.”

There was a standing ovation, and a hellish roar of applause. Satan roared with laughter and delight, “THAT’S IT! THAT’S IT! You’ve got plenty of time! Do it tomorrow! Tell them, tell them all!

And that is what they did. And that is what some people believe.

Do you? You are wrong. Can I back that up with Scripture?

The Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

You do not have time. You may not have tomorrow. You DO HAVE today. USE IT. Now or never, because you may not have a tomorrow, and you’ll spend Eternity screaming, and wondering why you waited too long.


BEHOLD HE COMES.


Dear Lord Jesus,
I have been told that You died on the cross 2,000 years ago to pay for sins, and rose three days later. I have been told that You died to pay for my sins. I may not understand that, but I want to believe it. I accept You as my Savior and Lord. Please wash away my sins with your perfect blood, and come into my heart. I give my life to You, and ask You to guide and guard me forever. Please help me to find the version of Your Word that represents You accurately, and can teach me the best. I pray that You lead me as I grow in knowledge of Your will and Your Word, and I pray in the Name of My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
A M E N
 


Ghosts
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Are there any such things as ghosts? I’ve heard of haunted houses; I’ve heard of people who have seen dead relatives… can this be true?

The answer to these questions is emphatically NO. There is no such thing as ghosts. Does this mean these events never happened, or these people were crazy, or liars? No it doesn’t. I did not say there was no such thing as spiritual activity, or supernatural occurrences. I said they were not ghosts as we understand the term. So how is this explainable?

First of all, if you do not believe in God, then you are on the wrong page. You will never understand. Believe what you want. If you believe in God, but do not believe in the devil, then you call God wrong, and/or a liar. Again, you are in the wrong place. To have a pick-and-choose concept of spiritual or supernatural activity is not logical. So we will assume that you accept the fact that God does exist, whether you understand or not, and we will look at the reasons we have to believe what He says on this very important subject.


First, we need to introduce our two key beings here, and tell you who they are, and where they came from.


GOD ALMIGHTY
The LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. (Deut. 4 : 39)
“See now that I Myself am He! There is no god besides Me.  (Deut. 32 : 39)
God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. (Num. 23 : 19)
…from everlasting to everlasting (Eternity back beyond comprehension to Eternity forward beyond comprehension, beyond Time, apart from it absolutely) You are God. (Psalm 90 : 2)
…You are from all Eternity. (Psalm 93 : 2)
“Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me. I, even I AM THE LORD, and apart from Me there is no Savior.” (Isaiah 43 : 10)
This is what the LORD says : I am the First and I am the Last; apart from Me there is no God… Is there any God besides Me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one… I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from Me there is no God… Remember this, fix it in mind, take it to heart, you rebels. Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like Me.” (Isaiah 44 : 6, 8; 45 : 5; 46 : 8-9)
Since ancient times no one has heard, no ear has perceived, no eye has seen any God besides You. (Isaiah 64 : 4)
…there is only one God… (Rom. 3 : 29)
… there is no God but one. (1 Corinth. 8 : 4)
For there is one God… (1 Tim. 2 : 3)
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.  A M E N (1 Tim. 1 : 17)


I think God’s credentials are pretty clear now. What about the other one? Who is he, and where does he come from? What do we know about him?


Lucifer / Satan
Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’? You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. The LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, cursed are you above all… I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, and you will strike His heel.” (Genesis 3)

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1 : 1-3)

For by Him all things were created : things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, powers, rulers or authorities, all things were created by Him and for Him. (Colo. 1 : 15-17)
How you have fallen from heaven, Oh morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth… You said, “I will ascend to heaven… I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned… on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain… I will ascend above the tops of the clouds.; I will make myself like the Most High.” (The 5 ‘I wills’ of Satan – Isaiah 14 : 12-14)

Jesus said, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” (Luke 10 : 18)

The devil led Jesus to a high place and showed Him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.” (Luke 4 : 5-7)

“… the prince of this world now stands condemned.’  (John 16 : 11)

“For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect - if that were possible.” (Matt. 24 : 24)

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. (1 John 4 : 1-3)

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. (2 Corinth. 11)


Satan is called ‘Prince of this world, ruler of the kingdom of the air.” This world is fallen, and he rules it, although every move he makes must be approved by God. (See Job)


Lucifer was one of the most powerful angels ever created. His beauty was staggering. Angels are servants, and he was created to be a servant. Can you name the angels? How many can you name? Lucifer, Michael and Gabriel. Name more. Can you? How many angels are there? Thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. (Revel. 5 : 11) Odd that we can only name three, isn’t it? Or had you ever considered that? Angels are created beings, with one purpose : to serve. Why only three then? Here is a very good theory to that.
Who went to Mary? Gabriel did. (Mary has no part of this equation. Gabriel went to her to tell her of Jesus, God the Son, who Gabriel is the Chief servant of. In the same way, Elisabeth did not feel her baby John leap at the sound of Mary’s voice. It only appeared that way to her. When pregnant Mary opened the door and stepped in, JESUS CHRIST entered the room, and John leaped for joy at the Presence of his Lord and Savior.) Michael is Chief servant to God the Spirit. And that leaves, Lucifer, the Chief servant to God the Father. Where is a Chief servant? At the right hand of the One he serves; how else can he be there to serve?
He was at the side of God for unknown time, since before time, watching all creation worship Him. Then he saw man created. Then he saw God walking in the garden for perhaps as much as 100 years, with man and woman worshiping Him. Being aware of his own beauty, he developed in his heart pride, a most vile and deadly sin. He chose to rebel, and was immediately cast down, and his name was changed to Satan. Somehow he talked a third of the angelic host to side with him. You saw the previous numbers of angels in heaven. You do the math; find out one third of that number, and you have ‘fallen angels’, otherwise known as unclean spirits, or DEMONS.


It is now abundantly clear that spiritual activity exists in this world. Time and time again we read about the Lord sending ‘the angel of the Lord’ or some other servant or messenger to do His will. A major portion of the time of the ministry of Jesus in the flesh was dedicated to driving out demons, driving out unclean spirits, rebuking demons, etc… which was acknowledged by thousands of people. They are real. They are dreadfully powerful beyond human comprehension. And they are currently active in the world.

It was summed up very nicely on radio recently like this. The football game is going. The 2-minute warning has sounded. The score is 96 to 7. You know this game is over. However the clock is still running, and the people are still moving on the field. The winner has been declared, and there is no changing it now. The only question is this, ‘How dirty will your uniform be when you walk into the locker room?’ You can still get hit by 2 or 3 linebackers who weigh 300 lbs apiece. You can still get seriously hurt. You can still die there. Does it change the end though? No, the winner is the winner. The war is over, although some battles still occur until the clock runs down.

Jesus said, “IT IS FINISHED.” This game has been declared. We’re just waiting for the clock to run out.

So, spiritual activity has been confirmed, and the opposing parties have been identified. To the question; are there any such things as ghosts? No. Can you back that up with Scripture? (The all-important question that can be applied to everything in your life) Yes, we can. Let’s back that up with Scripture.

“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”  Luke  16 : 19-31


We learn so much from this. Is this a parable? ABSOLUTELY NOT. There are dozens of parables. They have one thing in common; nobody is named. This is an open window into hell, rolled down by Jesus to show us many things. When was this event unfolding? It was obviously somewhere between some of the first children of Adam and Eve, and the life of Jesus. He is in the flesh, sharing it, and He has not yet opened the ‘Door’ to heaven. (See below.) So what do we learn?

Before the resurrection of Jesus, people did go to a place that was set off to one side, waiting for the way to heaven to be revealed to them. They had in their hearts the requirements necessary to please the Lord. Those who didn’t went straight into hell. Revelation says hell will be cast into the lake of fire at the end, and Matthew says hell was created, not for people, but for the devil and his angels. (Matt. 25 : 41) At that time, he could see Abraham from where he was. I don’t believe he can see him anymore though. Those waiting for the Lord have gone through the open door. Here is a dreadful thought; do not miss it. He knew exactly who he was, where he was, and what he had done. He also knew his family. He had all his memories in vivid detail. He remembered how many times the Lord had spoken to him, asking him to listen, to believe, to turn to Him.

Lazarus was covered with sores, yet the rich man wanted him to stick his finger, dipped in water, into his mouth. His need for water was beyond human understanding. He said himself that he was in agony. Abraham agreed with him that he was in agony.
The most important element in this is obvious. Abraham said, “between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ When he was asked to send someone to his family, the answer again was no. The answer had already been given, and can be summed up clearly like this :

WHEN YOU LEAVE YOUR FLESH, YOU ENTER THE ETERNITY OF YOUR CHOICE. ONCE THERE, YOU CANNOT LEAVE IT TO ATTEMPT TO ALTER THE EXISTENCE OF THE ‘LIVING.’

Welcome Home.

Why was he carried to Abraham’s side? He could not enter heaven. There was no acceptable door there. Jesus is the way, the only way, the Lamb of God, the Door. Before His blood was shed, before He fulfilled the righteousness required of Him by dying and rising up again 3 days later, literally, the Door was not there. Can I back that up with Scripture? Yes I can, thank you for asking.

Therefore Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. All who ever came before Me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate; whoever enters through Me will be saved.”  John  10  : 7

“No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven - The Son of Man.”  John 3 : 13

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”  John 14 : 6


The other objection to this teaching comes from 1 Samuel 28 : 8-20 (The witch of Endor). Pay attention now, and remember what Abraham said, “Those who want to leave here, can’t, and those who want to leave there, can’t...” People in hell cannot choose to leave. People waiting for the Lord cannot choose to leave. He did not say God cannot choose to allow someone to be seen. People cannot, BY THEIR CHOICE, leave their Eternity. So what happens with Samuel?

“Bring up Samuel,” Saul said. When she saw him, she screamed (1 Sam. 28 : 12). Why did she scream? She was a fraud. (I hate to mention secular tv, but the best example of this is from the hit movie, “Ghost,” and the scene is with Whoopie Goldberg. Do you remember it? She was a con artist, until someone really appeared. Then she freaked.) This woman was probably a fraud. She had never performed a supernatural action. Whether she was being deceived or just lying outright, she didn’t expect to see anyone. She was terrified because Samuel really appeared.
Samuel said, “...tomorrow you and your sons will be with me.” Where? In the place where God’s people were waiting for the Door of heaven to be opened, sometimes known as Abraham’s Bosom. Did it happen? Yes it did. Therefore it was not a lying spirit or a false prophet.

Scripture says that no one, on his own, can choose to leave Eternity, nor can a human pull someone out. If they could, they would have power over death, and ONLY Jesus Christ has power over death. It had nothing to do with the woman, or with Samuel’s desires. God for some reason honored Saul’s wish and sent Samuel to him (be careful what you ask for). God did it. Nobody else did. God can do what we can not. That is reasonable. He is God.


We close this category with this gem which comes from 1 Peter 3 : 18-21 . Jesus was alive after He left the flesh. He was conscious and active. Scripture clearly states that the Lord was made alive by the Spirit, ...“through whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago (sinners) in the days of Noah...” Abraham was not in hell. He was waiting for God. The rich man was not with Abraham. He rejected God. So who is in the prison? Those who did not reject God, but had no knowledge of Him. Jesus went and preached the Gospel to them. Who was there? Everyone from Adam and Eve to the people who died the same day His flesh died. The only reason Noah is mentioned is because Peter is addressing the misconception of baptism. The flood was a symbol of water, and baptism. Baptism does not save you. The blood of Jesus, and your faith in Him saves you, nothing else. “For it is by grace we are saved, through faith. And this not of ourselves, it is the gift of God; not by works, so no one can boast.” (Ephes. 2 : 8) After He preached to them, those who accepted left that place with Him. Abraham and all with him there fell in behind them, and they all entered heaven. (You know the Question.)

When He ascended on high, He led captives in His train and gave gifts to men. (Ephes. 4 : 7)

He who? Jesus of course. What is a train? You can picture one, you know what it is. But in ancient Israel, what was a train? A caravan? Describe it. FOLLOW THE LEADER.  One leads, moving in a chosen direction, and the others follow the Leader. When Jesus ascended, He led captives, those held by death, those unable to enter heaven without the Righteousness required of them. What gifts did He give? The Holy Spirit, the fruits of the Spirit, so much more. Read Ephesians, especially chapter 4.


Is there still that prison for people? I don't think so. Is there still a hell, with people going to it every day? YES. Is there a place where people wait for God now? NO. Jesus said, “I am the way... I am the Door...” When He was resurrected, the Open Door of Heaven was put into place. Now, as the apostle Paul says, “If I go on in this body, it will be fruitful... but I desire to depart and be with Christ,” (Phil. 1 : 22) and again, “...We know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord... we would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.” (2 Corinth. 5) There is no waiting now. If you have asked Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and come into your heart, and accepted Him as Savior and Lord, He has come in. When God looks at you, He either sees Jesus in you, or He doesn’t. The wait is over.


Scripture is very clear. When you leave the flesh, you enter the Eternity you have chosen. Spiritual activity is real. Was that your grandfather? No, it wasn’t. It was a demon, a fallen angel. But how does he know, how could he share that information with me? Angelic beings do not die. They are older than time. They have been around since before time began. How do they know? They saw and heard. Why would they appear? What is their goal?

“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”  (John 10)

Here is the motives behind the fallen angels and their leader, prince of this world, Satan : HATRED. They despise you with more hatred than can be understood. Why? They are dreadfully powerful beings, created in heaven, to exist forever and ever in heaven. They screwed up and were cast down, and hell was created for them.

You were born into sin. You are a sinner, by birth and later by choice. You followed them. BUT… Jesus came and chose to die to redeem you. Angelic beings were never forgiven, and have never been granted a second chance. You have a chance to spend ETERNITY in heaven, in absolute perfection, if you choose to accept the payment offered for you. They will roast in hell. PERIOD.

But you have a choice. Here is how to receive that free gift, and to escape eternity (by choice) away from God.  In Ephesians 1 we read, “When you heard the word, the gospel, YOU BELIEVED. Having believed, you received the Holy Spirit.”

“For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son... Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.” (John 3 : 16-18, 36)

You don’t need to understand, you only need to believe. Did you know that an airplane has more than 6 million separate pieces? Did you know that none of them can fly? You don’t NEED TO understand, you only need to believe.

Choose your destiny now, like this. Say this prayer, and mean it, to the best of your knowledge and understanding, with all your heart :

Lord Jesus, Son of God, I call out to You, please hear me. I am a sinner. I have chosen to do what I know is wrong. I am not perfect, and I do not deserve to be in Your Presence, or to be forgiven by you. I come to You now in obedience, and I beg for Your forgiveness. I have been told that You died for me, and 3 days later You rose again, just like You said You would. I don’t understand it, but Lord I want to believe it. I choose now to believe it. Please be my Savior. Come into my heart and let that shed blood be for my sins. I name You as my Savior and Lord, and I invite You into my heart and life to stay forever. I know my life needs to be changed to be what You want it to be. Please make those changes for me. I give You absolute authority in my life, in my body, in all that is mine.
Heavenly Father, thank You for sending Your Son to be My Savior and Lord. I pray in His Name, in the name of MY SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST,

A M E N

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Who Killed Jesus Christ?
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The big question has come up, and it is the one everyone wants the answer to.
That question, bought on by the movie, “Passion of the Christ”, is simple :


WHO CRUCIFIED JESUS CHRIST?


Is there one right answer? Are there many right answers? What does Scripture say?

Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate appealed to them (the Jews) again. But they kept shouting “Crucify him! Crucify him!” For the third time he spoke to them: “Why? What crime has this man committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty. Therefore I will have him punished and then release him.” But with loud shouts they insistently DEMANDED that he be crucified.... (Luke 23 : 20-23)

There you have it. It is as clear as black and white. THE JEWS CRUCIFIED JESUS.


But wait!


Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.” “But we have no right to execute anyone,” the Jews objected. This happened so that the words Jesus had spoken indicating the kind of death he was going to die would be fulfilled... Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified... So the soldiers took charge of Jesus... they crucified him... (John 18 : 31-32; 19 : 16-18)

There you have it. THE ROMANS CRUCIFIED JESUS.


But wait!


For God so loved the world that he GAVE his one and only Son, (or HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON) that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

There you have it. It is clear. GOD CRUCIFIED JESUS.


But wait!


The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life – only to take it up again. NO ONE TAKES IT FROM ME, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. (John 10 : 18)

How can you deny it? JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED JESUS.


Is there only one answer? NO. Is there only one RIGHT answer? NO. All the answers are absolutely correct. But there IS ONE more answer. And this is the most important one of all.

WHO KILLED JESUS CHRIST?

For what I recieved I passed on to you as of first importance: Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time... (1 Corin. 15:3-4)

WHO KILLED JESUS CHRIST?

 

 

 


I  DID.

 

 


For Christ died for sins, once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. (1 Peter 3:18)

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.

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Who are the REAL Christians?
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Who is a Christian? (Or "What do you believe, and what do you base that belief on?")

Imagine if you will the following conversation between Mormons and some guy off the street :

GUY : "Hey, Mormons! Cool, I’m a Mormon too!" (They give him a funny look, because all Mormons look like they work in a funeral home or maybe they are the Men In Black.) So they say, "What church do you go to?"

He says, "Oh, I don’t go to that church, are you kidding? The church teaches many gods, it teaches god was a man, it teaches man that he can be a god, it teaches polygamy. It doesn’t even agree with its own book. It doesn’t teach that Jesus is Son of God, God the Son, it doesn’t teach salvation by grace through faith... ( http://www.geocities.com/revelation2467/mormonerrors.html ) it is so full of error and false teaching it’s amazing. I don’t go to that church, no. But I am a Mormon."

?

THEY SAY : "You read and believe the book of course."

HE SAYS : "Are you serious? I don’t read that book, no! Joseph Smith said it was the most perfect book EVER. But when the church reprinted the 1st Edition book for the 100th birthday of the church, they found OVER 4,000 technical corrections in it when comparing it to today’s book. It claims to be a record of early America, but geology proves it wrong, history proves it wrong, and now DNA provides staggering overwhelming proof that it is utterly wrong. The book and the church do not even agree with each other, so either the book is wrong or the church is apostate after less than 200 years. I don’t read that thing, no. But I am a Mormon."

"You believe Joseph Smith totally, of course."

"No, I don’t. Joseph Smith was a false prophet, full of errors. He was NOT led by God, he was either an outright liar or was led (mislead) by a demon. No, Joseph Smith was NOT a prophet of God. But I AM a Mormon."

Their obvious comment is clear : "No, you ARE NOT A MORMON."

But why? Why am I not a Mormon? Do you mean that for me to be a Mormon, I have to believe what you believe, read what you read, accept your beliefs and attend a church that agrees with your ‘doctrines’? Yes, that is exactly it.

If you think I am "Religion-Bashing" I am sorry. No, actually I am not. The truth is the truth. Satan decided to kill all Christians, starting with Jesus (for example). That was a dismal failure. So he launched his next plan, a far better one. He said to someone, "I AM A CHRISTIAN. You are a Christian, too. We are all Christians." And everyone believes it. Are you a Christian? What do you base that idea on? Blind faith is good, and necessary, but even blind faith has some kind of base. What is yours? Let’s look at the base of Christianity.

When Martin Luthor could take it no more, he broke from the Roman Catholic Church and launched ‘The Great Revolt" or the Reformation of the sixteenth century. He showed the people that the Catholic Church was selling indulgences (selling salvation), teaching that the Pope was a holy and sinless man who could forgive sins, that Mary was a god to pray to, some deity instead of a sinful woman who needed a Savior as much as we do, baptism is rebirth, ( http://www.geocities.com/revelation2467/catholic-subdir.html ) and so much more. He translated the Bible into the language of the people because, at that time, people were not allowed to have the Word of God. Only the Church could possess the Word. Martin Luthor put the Bible into their hands.

Evangelical Christianity has a few differences in its various denominations, but they all stand one a basic foundation. Evangelical Christianity shares this basic doctrine :


I believe the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. It is the complete revelation of His will for salvation, and the only unfailing rule of faith, truth and practice for the Christian life. I believe it speaks perfectly as a history book as well as a science book, and can be trusted absolutely. I believe it must have absolute authority in the Church and the life of the Believer, and if something contradicts a principle clearly shown in the Word, the principle is wrong, and the Bible is to be obeyed.

I believe in a literal 6-day creation around 6,000 years ago, and believe the book of Genesis is crystal clear and absolutely perfect and accurate in its detailed description of the actions of the Creator God.

I believe there is one eternal God, personal and knowable who manifests Himself in three distinct persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit and that these three are co-eternal and of equal dignity and power.

I believe Jesus is the eternal, pre-existent Son of God. He willingly took on the body of a man, was virgin-born, became our sinless substitute, shed His blood on the cross to completely pay for the atonement of our sins. I believe He died, was buried, resurrected in a literal body three days later, ascended into Heaven, and is presently our advocate and only High Priest, and I look for His personal, imminent return.

I believe the ministry of the Holy Spirit is to convict the lost, permanently indwell and seal the believer and place him or her in the Body of Christ in a right relationship with God. I believe in the baptism with the Holy Spirit, and that it is not related to water baptism, which is an outward sign to the world, an announcement of a new Believer in Jesus Christ. Water baptism is an act of obedience, does not save in itself, and is meaningless to infants or very young children.

I believe that man was created by and for God; that by man's disobeying God, every person incurred spiritual death, which is separation from God, and physical death as a consequence; and that all people are sinners by nature and practice, and cannot please God until Christ gives him life.

I believe salvation is by God's grace, received by faith, and cannot be earned, bought, or received from any source other than God, who delivers this gift through the perfect blood of Jesus Christ, the sinless Lamb.

I believe in the bodily resurrection of everyone who has ever lived, the everlasting blessedness of those in right relationship with God, and the everlasting punishment of those who have rejected God's forgiveness in His Son.

I believe that all believers should assemble in local churches for mutual growth, encouragement, evangelism, praise and worship.


THAT IS EVANGELICAL CHRISTIANITY. Every single point is critical and foundational to the true Christian faith. Every single point is backed up with Scripture so completely that you’d have to really want to miss it if you don’t see it (unless you are reading a flawed copy written by false prophets, like the mislead ( http://www.geocities.com/revelation2467/jwbible.html ) Jehovah's Witnesses or 7th Day Advents). If you believe what we believe, read what we read, and agree with evangelical Christianity, you may indeed be a Born-Again Christian. Is everyone saved? NO. Is everyone a Christian? NO.

Are you? Does the Bible tell you what God says, or do you tell the Bible what it means and you tell the world what God says? Are you really a Christian, or is your belief different from the Evangelical Christians? What do you base your belief on?

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.

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My Doctrine
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MY DOCTRINE OF FAITH
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I believe the Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. It is the complete revelation of His will for salvation, and the only unfailing rule of faith, truth and practice for the Christian life. I believe it speaks perfectly as a history book as well as a science book, and can be trusted absolutely. I believe it must have absolute authority in the Church and the life of the Believer, and if something contradicts a principle clearly shown in the Word, the principle is wrong, and the Bible is to be obeyed.

I believe in a literal 6-day creation around 6,000 years ago, and believe the book of Genesis is crystal clear and absolutely perfect and accurate in its detailed description of the actions of the Creator God.

I believe there is one eternal God, personal and knowable who manifests Himself in three distinct persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit and that these three are co-eternal and of equal dignity and power.

I believe Jesus is the eternal, pre-existent Son of God. He willingly took on the body of a man, was virgin-born, became our sinless substitute, shed His blood on the cross to completely pay for the atonement of our sins. I believe He died, was buried, resurrected in a literal body three days later, ascended into Heaven, and is presently our advocate and only High Priest, and I look for His personal, imminent return.

I believe the ministry of the Holy Spirit is to convict the lost,  permanently indwell and seal the believer and place him or her in the Body of Christ in a right relationship with God. I believe in the baptism with the Holy Spirit, and that it is not related to water baptism, which is an outward sign to the world, an announcement of a new Believer in Jesus Christ. Water baptism is an act of obedience, does not save in itself, and is meaningless to infants or very young children.

I believe that man was created by and for God; that by man's disobeying God, every person incurred spiritual death, which is separation from God, and physical death as a consequence; and that all people are sinners by nature and practice, and cannot please God until Christ gives him life.

I believe salvation is by God's grace, received by faith, and cannot be earned, bought, or received from any source other than God, who delivers this gift through the perfect blood of Jesus Christ, the sinless Lamb.

I believe in the bodily resurrection of everyone who has ever lived, the everlasting blessedness of those in right relationship with God, and the everlasting punishment of those who have rejected God's forgiveness in His Son.

I believe that all believers should assemble in local churches for mutual growth, encouragement, evangelism, praise and worship.

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I believe that the following is one of many variations of what is commonly known of as the “Sinner's Prayer.” You need to know you are not perfect, know that you have sinned. You need to know and believe that you DO NOT DESERVE to go to heaven; that is, to exist IN the Presence of God forever. You need to believe that Jesus took YOUR place on the cross, and rose, and was thinking personally of YOU at the time. You do NOT need to understand it. The 8-year old does not understand algebra, but believes it exists, if you tell her about it. Some things you learn later, some things you learn immediately, some things we will NEVER clearly see while in the flesh. You need to Believe it, NOT understand it.

  Immediately, the boy's father exclaimed,  “I DO believe; help me overcome my unbelief!” (Mark 9 : 24)


You need to ask Jesus Christ to forgive you, and to come in to your heart and life. Ask, and YOU WILL RECEIVE. Ask Him like this, and open your heart to Him, and HE WILL COME IN.

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
 


Our Responsibility
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   “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

We have certain responsibilities that cannot be ignored. We need to see that we must do what we know we must do. I watched a secular movie once, a polytheistic movie based on Roman mythology. The star was alone and suddenly his ‘goddess’ appeared before him. He boldly told her that he had called to her many times, but she had ignored him. So, fine, he didn’t need her at all. Her reply had much truth in it. She said, “You know the gods cannot do for man what man must do for himself.”

Now we know there is only one God, and He does want a relationship with us. He knows that we cannot do a number of things. Consider 911. If you were the one who did that (and you lived) and you were given a shovel and a wheel barrow, could you clean up the mess? God knows that there are some things we can get ourselves into that we simply cannot get ourselves back out of. He knows that. But you still have to confess it and reach for the shovel. He will help you, but you must take responsibility.

Look at the city of Jericho. Remember how the Lord told Joshua and the troops that they were to take the city? BUT, they were to obey God. He told them exactly what to do; march around the walls once a day for 7 days, then march 7 times, then shout! Now who knocked the walls over? God did. So picture a big wall, with a BIG set of hands on it. Does God push it? Yes. Did God push it? Yes. When? He did not push it over until they shouted. Only He pushed, but they had to obey first. YOU MUST DO WHAT YOU KNOW YOU MUST DO. God will meet you in it, but you must do it. He is standing there right now with His hands on your big wall, just waiting for you to shout, so He can shove it over.


Look at 2 Timothy 2 : 19-21

God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his ”, (Num. 16:5) and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble (common use). If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.


Here Paul is speaking specifically to Christians. Can you claim the promises of God? First, to be able to claim the promises of God, you need to know you are a Christian. You must be saved and know it.

If you have never asked Jesus Christ to come into your heart and be your Savior, then He never has. He cannot get in without an invitation. Can I back that up with Scripture? Yes I can. “Here I am. I stand at the Door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the Door, I will come in.” (Revel. 3 : 20) He will NEVER come in until you ask Him to. It’s your choice, it’s your life. The promises of God are to the Children of God. You must ask Him in. You must be saved and know it.

‘If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for noble purposes...’  Please note the exact wording... IF A MAN CLEANSES HIMSELF...  Only the blood of Jesus can take away your death-penalty sins, but you must see that only you can take responsibility and do what you know you need to do. Here we are not talking about salvational cleansing, we are talking about sanctifying (setting aside for noble use) cleansing. YOUR CLEANSING. We are not saved BY works, but we are saved to DO good works... ‘We are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works which He has prepared in advance for us to do.” (Ephes. 2 : 10)

You need to be saved and know it. Then you need to be cleansed and show it. If you are not showing it, at one point or another you must ask yourself if you are really saved. When you ask Jesus Christ to come into your heart, He does. He fills you with the Holy Spirit, ...‘who is a deposit, GUARANTEEING our inheritance... kept for us in heaven’ (Ephes. 1 : 14, 1 Peter 1 : 4).   So if you are doing nothing and don’t seem to be bothered by this, know this : the Holy Spirit did not enter you so He could hang out with you watching tv. His goal is to bring glory to Jesus Christ. That is, He will be speaking to you, urging you to grow, and to bring glory to God by doing so... if you have ignored Him, then you have quenched the Fire, and only you can restore the relationship. If you are doing nothing, don’t be too confidant. You are not in a good place. Are you a Child of God, or aren’t you? ‘Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you - unless of course you fail the test.’ (2 Corin. 13 : 3)

Are you seeing the Power of God in your life? If not, why not? Are you in a place where He can use you? You need to be obeying His Word. If you are not obeying, if you have wilful sin in your life, you have Satanic strongholds in your life that oppose God, and you know what they are. Jesus said, “Go now, and leave your life of sin... you are well now, stop sinning or something worse may happen to you. ” (John 8 : 11, 5 : 14) Do you think He will deliver you? And how does that work in your mind? Do you think God delivers through U. P. S.? He doesn’t, so get up and do what you know YOU have to do, and He will help you. For the most part He will not do it FOR you, but He WILL do it WITH you. So what are you waiting for?

Those who sin are slaves to sin. (John 8 : 34) As addicts, drug or sex or otherwise, people have all dug some pretty big holes. (I smoked and drank  for better than 20 years until the Lord and I removed them.) How can I undo the damage that I have spent 25 years doing? I can’t live with this wreckage, I need it done now. Well, it’s not going to be done now. Some things take time. The deeper your hook, the more the damage, the more recovery time will be needed. But you DO NOT have to do it alone. Jesus Christ is waiting to walk side by side with you through it. But YOU MUST reach for that shovel, then plan on getting blisters on your hands. Don’t worry about the size of the mess. Just do your part in the clean-up.

If you currently have an on-going habit that is wrong, you need to deal with it now. If you are sexually active and are not doing it God’s way, you are a sex addict with a stronghold in your life. ‘But among you there must not be EVEN A HINT OF SEXUAL IMMORALITY, or of any impurity, or of greed, for these are improper for God’s holy people.’ (Ephes. 3 : 5) If you are using drugs, or drinking to get drunk on a regular basis, you have a chemical addiction that you chose. Now you must choose to begin the process of undoing it. God did not come here to leave you wallowing in filth. ‘You have been set free from sin, and are now slaves to righteousness.’ (Rom. 6 : 18) When you turn from the evil, the habit, whatever it may be, do you throw yourself as hard into the Lord as you did the garbage? If not, why? You need to not be weakened by discouragement or lack of hope, don’t believe those lies. You need to KNOW that Jesus is there, and He GIVES YOU the right to come to Him, and NOBODY IN CREATION can stop you. Except you. (Can you back that up with Scripture? Ask that question for everything.)  What does Jesus say? “...WHOEVER comes to Me I WILL NEVER DRIVE AWAY. ”(John 6 : 37)  When you throw away the trash, you need to replace it with something. But if the Lord doesn’t replace it, or you don’t find something else, you don’t see something new or glorious in the first day or week, don’t base your decisions or actions on what you THINK or FEEL or SEE. Do what you know. Call on Jesus. BE AT HIS FEET. Obey His word. Reach for that shovel and yell to Him. Then wait, and He will push that wall over.

You can’t do it alone. He can’t do it if you are not obeying. If you cleanse yourself, you will be a noble vessel, useful to the Master and ready for any good work.  “I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remain in Me and I in him, he will bear fruit. Apart from Me you can do nothing.”  (John 15 : 5)

If you are a Child of God and you are not seeing His amazing Power and Presence in your life, then what is it that you are not doing right? Be sure, it is you, not Him. Are you letting Him rule? Have you thrown out ALL the trash? Do you read and pray on a regular basis? Do you have a relationship, boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife? How well would that relationship grow if you decided to speak to them only once a month for 5 minutes? Think about it. Do you want God, or don’t you?

If you are truly a Child of God, only He can shine like the sun through you, but only you can let Him, or stop Him. If you are not a Child of God, you are currently facing an eternity away from God, and that won’t be spent in the Bahamas or Hawaii. Know the truth; you spend eternity where you CHOOSE to spend eternity, and you live the way you CHOOSE to live.

Child of God, cleanse yourself, and let the Lord shine.

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.


Are you holding God back?
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Is obedience important? Does it really make a difference when I do what God says, but only to the degree that I want? What are the effects of ‘little sins’ in someone’s life? Let’s take a look at some ‘little’ choices made by some people in the past, and see how things turned out.

Abraham
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God told Abram to ‘leave his country, his people AND his father’s house,’ (Gen. 12). Abram promptly turned and yelled over his shoulder, “Hey! Everybody, c’mon! ROAD TRIP!”

Right from the very beginning he was in total disobedience. He took everyone with him. (See Matt. 21 : 28)

...“go to the land I will show you... to your offspring I will give THIS land.” (Gen. 12 : 1; 7) Now there was a famine, and Abram decided to move to Egypt. Was that wise? God didn’t call him to Egypt, He called him to, and swore to give him, the land of Canaan. Famine doesn’t matter; Moses led (God led) millions of people into the desert, and God fed them every single day for 40 years. It is possible that in this action he
disobeyed again. When he leaves Egypt, his wife has a young Egyptian woman with her. This will prove to be a huge problem later. Some mistakes lead to terrible situations.

Now Lot was wealthy and had large herds as well, and quarreling arose between them... (Gen. 13) Abram and Lot were now Donald Trump and Bill Gates, both on the same acre of land. Strife breaks out, forcing them to part company. They didn’t want to (they both knew they were rich in livestock, yet they stayed together until forced apart. That shows family love). He was told to leave his family, not take his family with him. Now painful separation is forced upon him. He should have obeyed the first time.

The Lord said to Abram AFTER Lot had parted, ...“all you see I give to you...” (Gen. 13 : 14) The Lord did not continue the promise, or bring it up, until family was removed from him. The presence of Abram’s family is possibly holding back the plan and desire of God in his life.

Now is the war of the kings, and Lot is captured. Abram must gather his troop of militia (he has 318 trained men in his house, obviously body guards and warriors, servants who were battle-ready, trained to protect a very rich man in the desert - Gen. 14 : 14). Abram is called into a war that was not his. Although he is granted success from the Lord, he shouldn’t have had to do it at all. Had he obeyed and left Lot in Ur, he wouldn’t have had to. Again God’s promise comes to him, but not until AFTER Lot is rescued and sent away again. In Acts 7 we read that AFTER the death of his father, God sent him... the time period between his initial calling and his father’s death is unclear, but we know that God’s will and plan in his life was held back by his disobedience. The child of promise didn’t come to him until 24 years after his call! (Gen. 16 : 15; 21 : 5) The Lord did make him wait, to test his faith, but that testing period was quite possibly extended by his disobedience.

Sarai, Abram’s wife, had no children. She told her husband to sleep with the Egyptian to ‘have a child for her’ (a common Canaanite custom, but one that should have made Abram disagree. He later proves that he knows God’s character and nature. He should have known better. Maybe he tries to talk his way out of it by saying that the Lord declared his child would come from his body; God never swore to him that the child would also come from Sarai’s as well - Gen. 16 - God soon removes the possibility of him saying this by declaring that Sarai shall produce the child of promise within her own body.) Ishmael is born, and will be cast out. Isaac is the child of promise, and he inherits everything alone. (Bill Gates has a child and gives him $100.00 and throws him out. Is he mad? You know he is!) His name is Ishmael, and he gets nothing. Isaac’s son is Jacob (Israel) Ishmael and Israel... 4,000 years ago two men began hating each other. Today we call them THE MIDDLE EAST. It hasn’t stopped yet. The Lord forgives sins sometimes, but sometimes the consequences of those sins carry on anyway. Sometimes, a sin that looks like it may be small, no big thing really, will prove to have disastrous results of nightmarish proportion. How many people do you suppose have died in conflict in or around or because of the Middle East in the last 4,000 years?

Isaac
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Rebekah was carrying two boys in her womb. As they struggled within her, she asked God why, and He told her, “Two nations are within you, two peoples, one stronger than the other, and the younger shall rule the older...” (Gen. 25 : 23) She certainly told Isaac this. God said the firstborn will not be the honored one. However, when Isaac thought his end was near, he was determined to deliver the blessings of the firstborn to Esau anyway. (Gen. 27) Look what happened as a result of that ONE sinful action, refusal to let God decide what is best.

As a result, his wife was compelled to trickery to get her son Jacob to receive the blessing. Jacob went against his conscience to agree with his mother, and carried that guilt all his life. His brother wanted him dead. He fled his land into exile for many years and never saw his mother again. Laban his uncle used him and took advantage of him for years. He was tricked into going to bed with a woman he didn’t want. (Please compare the servant going to get a wife for Isaac with Jacob and his wife-quest.) Instead of demanding his wife Rachael, and ONLY her, he accepted polygamy, making their lives miserable. Instead of inquiring of God, he engaged in ‘the Baby Wars’ and slept with their maids as well. Who knows how much longer a list we could even make here, and why? NO REASON. God said that the younger would rule the older. Had Isaac accepted God as the Ruler, none of it would have happened. Had Jacob refused to obey his mother, had he walked in and confronted his father, God’s will would still have been done. God will not force His will on you, but He will tell you what He wants. Let Him be God.

What about David, the great king? He was ruler of all Israel, ‘a man after God’s heart,’ and had everything in the world. He chose to embrace polygamy, and for some reason the Lord did not address it, (although don’t doubt that it is wrong). Yet that wasn’t even good enough for him; he had to commit adultery as well, sleeping with another man’s wife. When she got pregnant, they were both in real danger of being executed for it. To get out of it, he plotted to commit first-degree murder. Ordering war-chief Joab, to assist in this scheme, he caused him to be accessory to murder. God was forced to deal with it. DO NOT FORCE GOD TO DEAL WITH YOU.

David lost the kingdom. He ran from his son, who took over the people and called himself king. The kingdom eventually split into two pieces, Judah and the rest of Israel. The David / Absalom conflict ended shortly, but the results were terrible. More than 20,000 people died (2 Sam. 18) for one act of sexual sin (which branched out quickly. Sexual sin will ALWAYS do that).

This text is not to discredit these people. It is to point out what the simplest looking sins can actually do. Their mistakes all came from one basic source. They all knew God, they all had relationships with God, they all talked to God, and they all knew what God wanted. They all chose to do it their way, knowingly going against what God wants.

Please note that their relationships didn’t end. God’s love is beyond understanding. But you must see that, although He forgives His children when they repent and come to Him, He does not always remove the consequences of their sins. In terms of judgment, He says, “..so great is His love for those who fear Him, as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our sins from us.” (Psalm 103 : 12) The sins are gone, yes, but the price sometimes has to still be paid. If you jump off the roof and ask Him to forgive you, He will. You’ll still have a broken leg too, and healing comes slow. Sometimes He allows us to go through what we begged for; the fruits of your sins will still be there too. Sometimes we MUST experience the consequences of our sins to a certain degree. If God were to always fix every single thing we did, it would be like Him saying, “Oh, go ahead and sin. It’s no big deal. I’ll fix it.” There is a spiritual law that is not to be forgotten. “A man (person) reaps what he sows; he who sows to please the sinful nature will reap destruction...” (Gala. 6 : 7-8)

God allows people to make choices of their own. Quite often He will refuse to allow them what they want (thank You, God!) although while you are in a power struggle for rule with Him, your life will not be advancing in the direction He wants it to go in. If you ARE a Child of God, that is, if you have asked Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and come into your heart, then you do have a relationship with the Living God. He rarely saves people and then leaves them sitting on a bus stop bench, waiting for His return. You need to be daily reading His word, obeying His word, seeking fellowship in a good church (one that preaches full gospel and functions in complete agreement with the Bible), and shining so people see it. Do you think your life will advance in God’s direction when you refuse to do what you know you have to do?

“Whoever can be trusted with little can be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with little will be dishonest with much.” (Luke 16 : 10) If He has saved you, then He has given you (figuratively) and now you need to do what you must do. Would He give you more when you have no respect for what you already have? (The more you give away the more He gives to you to give... ‘Little Bit of Love’ - Rebecca St. James) If you want your life to advance then you need to obey God. Odds are, you know what is you need to do, because God does not keep secrets about His will. If you have not asked Jesus Christ into your heart, you are on the verge of being damned in hell, roasting forever by YOUR CHOICE. Don’t choose that. Ask Jesus Christ in to save you NOW.

So, are you holding God back?

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(THE SINNER'S PRAYER)

Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to see what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever.
Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.

(THE CHILD OF GOD'S PRAYER)

Dear Jesus,
I have been holding You back. There are things in my life that aren't right, I know that. I confess that it's hard to give them up, Lord. I am comfortable in them. But that's not right. Some things are outright rebellion against You, and this just can't go on. Please help me to hate what You hate, help me to see and feel the way You see and feel about my life. If there are things in my life I am unaware of, please convict me of them so we can deal with them together. Lord, You are coming back, and people will be sorted out, into Your presence, or into hell. We are not supposed to be so comfortable in this world that we forget Your truth. We are supposed to be reading, and living what we know; dedicated to prayer, and fellowship with the Body of Christ for growth, and for Your glory. Please revive me, remind me of Your truth, and set me on Your path. I give myself to You Lord, and I name You Jesus as Supreme Ruler in my life. Lord, You rule. Teach me.
I pray in Jesus' Name,
Amen

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Science And The Bible
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Science expresses the universe in 5 terms : time, space matter, power and motion.

Genesis 1 : 1-2 revealed these truths to the Hebrews 4,000 years ago :
    +In the beginning (TIME) God created (POWER) the heavens (SPACE) and the earth ( MATTER) ...and the Spirit of God moved (MOTION) upon the face of the waters.

The first thing God tells man is that He is in control of all aspects of the universe.

Only in recent years science has discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms.          
+By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. (Hebrews 11 : 3)

Scientists have written “the First Law of Thermodynamics” which states that, “neither matter nor energy can be created or destroyed.” In other words, no creation is going on today. IT IS FINISHED.
  + Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. (Genesis 2 : 1)

“The Second Law of Thermodynamics” states that, “in all physical processes, every ordered system over time tends to become more disordered. Everything is running down and wearing out as energy becomes less available for use. The universe will eventually wear out.”
  + Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. (Psalm 102 : 25; Heb. 1 : 11-12)
    +Lift up your eyes to the heavens, look at the earth beneath; the heavens will vanish like smoke, the earth will wear out like a garment and its inhabitants will die like flies. (Isaiah 51 : 6)

Scientists now understand that the universe is stretching out, or expanding.
    +He (God) wraps Himself in light as with a garment; He stretches out the heavens like a tent... (Psalm 104 : 2; Isaiah 40 : 22;)
    +He (God) founded the world by His wisdom, and stretched out the heavens by His understanding. (Jere. 10 : 12)

For a time it was believed that the world sat on the back of an animal or a giant. (1500 B. C.)   
    +He (God) spreads out the northern skies over empty space; He suspends the earth over nothing. (Job 26 : 7)

 Man believed for 2,400 years that the world was flat, but Bible-believing Christopher Columbus sailed around the world.
    +He (God) sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth... (Isaiah 40 : 22)

Scientists have discovered that the sun is moving in its circuit at better than 600,000 mph. Its circuit is estimated to be so large that one completion of the circuit would take 200 million years, by calculating its motion, direction, etc... but it IS moving, and in a circuit, just like the Bible says :
    +In the heavens He has pitched a tent for the sun, which is like a bridegroom coming forth from his pavilion, like a champion rejoicing to run his course. It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other; nothing is hidden from its heat. (Psalm 19 : 4-6)

Scientists have discovered that stars actually emit radio waves, or audio.
    +The LORD spoke, saying, “Who is this who darkens My council without words of knowledge? ... Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundations... while the morning stars sang together?” (Job 38 : 1-7)

Doctors admit that tension and anxiety cause stress in the body, creating a host of medical situations, but the word of God spoke this over 3,000 years ago.
   +A heart at peace gives life to the body... a cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones... (Prov. 14 : 30; 17 : 22)

In all other so-called ‘religious books’ there is NO scientific statement that can be proven. All their statements are clearly unscientific. Scripture is TRUTH in many levels and is provable, and scientists are slowly but surely proving it absolutely, beyond the shadow of a doubt. Why are scientists agreeing more and more with the Bible? Could it be because the Bible is right?

If the Book taught 4,000 years ago what we are only now beginning to discover and agree with, do you think maybe it has a lot more to say on other subjects?

The Bible is not a religious book. Religion is what Man says God says. The Bible is what God says God says, and scientists agree. We should, too.

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.” (Matt. 24 : 35)

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
 


CULTS - Catholics - Religious Tolerance?
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Should All Christians Unite with Catholics?

     Since the dawn of the new millennium we are witnessing the greatest push toward ecumenical unity the world has ever seen. The Roman Catholic Church is fervently building bridges to all Christian denominations. Through the dedicated efforts of Pope John Paul II, the Vatican is urging all professing Christians to return home to Rome. Dialogues and accords have been initiated and created to seek unity through common beliefs. An example of this is the 1999 Lutheran-Roman Catholic ‘Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification.’ In the declaration, Rome uses equivocal and ambiguous words to affirm agreement on the doctrine of ‘justification by faith alone.’ but, at the same time, continues the anathema’s on all whom believe this doctrine. We must not be misled. Rome has not changed its position on things that really matter! Instead they continue to take advantage of professing Christians who lack discernment or who are unwilling to contend for ‘the faith.’

     The key to the success of this unity effort has been a commitment to ‘love one another and tolerate one another’s beliefs.’ The proposal for all Christians to ignore their doctrinal differences for the sake of unity completely overlooks the fact that Roman Catholic, Orthodox and many Protestant churches preach a false gospel that denies the sufficiency of Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption.

     This ecumenical movement has provided fertile ground to rebuild the religious tower of Babel. Multitudes are being influenced by perverted gospels, doctrines of demons and false teachers. Many more are being persuaded by highly visible evangelicals to join the crusade. It is no surprise the Roman Catholic Church has been the driving force behind this ecumenical movement. Since the close of Vatican Council II in 1965 Rome has been courting those she once called ‘heretics’ by renaming them ‘separated brethren.’ No longer able to force people to submit to its popes under the threat of death and persecution, the Vatican has changed its strategy to win the world. Wearing a new face of love and concern for these ‘separated brethren,’ she is now offering them the ‘fullness of salvation’ upon their return to the ‘one true church.’

     With so many professing Christians jumping on the ecumenical bandwagon, there is evidence of the spirit of Antichrist at work building his one-world religion. Propelling the movement are church leaders who fail to warn their congregations of the great apostasy and increased deception during the last days. Instead of church leaders hating everything false, many are tolerating false doctrines and counterfeit gospels (Psalm 119 : 104, 128). Instead of church leaders exposing the prevailing doctrines and agents of compromise, many are enduring them.

     Tragically, many pulpits are also incredibly silent regarding the numerous scriptural warnings against being yoked with unbelievers. As under-shepherds of the flocks entrusted to them, pastors must warn their sheep of the dangers of ecumenical unity. Jesus and His disciples never tolerated unity without the foundation of biblical truth. Time after time zealous religious leaders, with their own agendas, were strongly rebuked :

 

Jesus did not join hands with the religious leaders who shut off the kingdom of heaven from men (Matt. 23 : 13).

Paul did not unite with the Judaizers who only wanted to add circumcision to the Gospel (Gala. 1).

Jude refused to cooperate with those who crept in unaware to pervert the grace of God (Jude 4).

John did not seek to establish unity with those ‘who went out from us because they were never really of us’ (1 John 2 : 19).

Peter never joined hands with the false teachers who had forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam (2 Pet. 2 : 15).

The writer to the Hebrews never united with those who would ignore such a great salvation (Hebrews 2 : 3).


     In light of the ‘cloud of witnesses set before us’ one must wonder why some evangelicals ignore the lessons of Scripture by embracing the false gospel of Roman Catholicism. Surely they are not ignorant of their numerous anathemas that condemn born-again Christians! Surely they are not ignorant of the many additional requirements Rome has added to the gospel of salvation. Could they be so easily persuaded by the Catholic Church’s worldly influence, incredible wealth, one billion followers and a leader that is so loved by the world?

     How are Christians to protect themselves in the midst of the religious deception so prevalent in the world today? The Bible exhorts us to test every teaching. We are warned not to believe every spirit because many false prophets have gone out into the world. It is only by God’s Word that we can know the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of error. (1 John 4 : 1,6).

     We are to be like the Bereans who examined the Scriptures daily to verify the truthfulness of the Apostle Paul’s teachings (Acts 17 : 11). If Paul, who wrote over half the New Testament was tested, it stands to reason that every priest, pope, prophet, or preacher should also be examined in light of God’s Holy Word.

     So what are we to do with the false teachers within Christendom? We are not to partake in their endeavors but to expose their false teachings (Ephes. 5 : 6,11). With gentleness, we are to correct those who are in error in hopes that God may grant them repentance leading to the truth (2 Tim. 2 : 25). Those who ‘profess to know God but by their deeds they deny Him’ must be exposed and silenced so others will not be deceived. (Titus 1 : 9-16). Those who do not listen to apostolic teaching are not from God. We are commanded to separate from those who persist in false teaching (Rom. 16 : 17; Titus 3 : 10). For some, this may mean finding another church; for others, it may mean withholding support from ministries that continue to compromise the Gospel.

     As end-time deception increases and more and more people are led into apostasy, we must contend fervently for the faith that was once delivered to the saints (Jude v. 3). As more Christian leaders seek the approval of men rather than God, the way of truth will become more narrow and less traveled. Those who remain faithful will be persecuted for refusing to compromise (2 Tim. 2 : 12). They will be accused of being intolerant, unloving and narrow-minded. But we must always be mindful of the warnings of the apostles - if we do not separate from false teachers we could be disqualified for service (2 Tim. 2 : 20), become identified with them and their error (2 John 10-11), or risk being partakers of their fate. (Jude 11-13).

     As church leaders continue to teach partial truths and tolerate doctrinal error the body of Christ must take action. We must avoid the rebuke Paul gave to the Corinthian church. He wrote: ‘I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough’ (2 Corinth. 11 : 3-4). As the ecumenical movement grows in popularity within the church, we must accept the fact that contending for doctrinal purity will be an unpopular position to pursue. Yet it is indeed what we are called to do! By pointing out false doctrine and practices, we will be good servants of Christ Jesus as we are nourished by His word and sound doctrine (1 Tim. 4 : 6). Upholding truth can, and will be divisive within the church, but division is sometimes good for the church. Occasionally it is necessary to show which ones are approved of God (1 Corinth. 11 : 19).

     Those who contend for the purity of the Gospel are often criticized for quibbling over things that don’t appear to be that significant. However, contenders for the faith realize that the most dangerous lie is the lie which most closely resembles the truth. Conversely, ecumenists consider anything that appears close to the truth as an opportunity for unity. Thus they embrace the false gospel of Catholicism because it is the most clever of all counterfeits.

     In these days of apostasy, the body of Christ needs to boldly and courageously proclaim the whole counsel of God and expose as error everything that opposes it. May God give all His servants the grace, power, discernment and courage to be contenders for the faith.

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
 


CULTS - Catholics - Bless me, Father?
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    As a Roman Catholic for over a quarter of a century, I said those words often. For the unlearned, they are said at the beginning of every trip to the confessional where a Catholic goes to seek absolution for their sins. For the unlearned again, Roman Catholicism teaches that a Catholic priest has the power to forgive sins. For those that doubted this, Pope John Paul II reaffirmed this teaching in the first years of his papacy. Hence the petition ‘Bless me, Father.’

     The Catholic is seeking favor from the priest himself. Now the Bible prohibits the addressing of any person as ‘Father’ in the spiritual sense. Yes, you may address your biological father as such but NOT someone in a religious context. For the Lord Jesus is very clear on the subject: “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” (Matt. 23 :9. In the context of the chapter He is clearly referring to men assuming the role that only God the Father has a right to.

     So the very thought of a person being addressed as your spiritual ‘father’ is unbiblical to say the least. Referring to a person as THE HOLY FATHER is blasphemous at best. It does not take a rocket scientist to see the path that Rome puts its sheep on. From the get-go they are taught that the priest is something special, holier-than-thou, and certainly closer to God than a mere lay person. The Baltimore catechism teaches that when a priest puts on his vestments he becomes an ‘alter christus,’ (another Christ). When you see the priest you are seeing Jesus Christ as well. In the minds of many Roman Catholics the parish priest is sacrosanct and above reproach. Remember that it is a priest and only a priest who can change the bread and wine of the Lord’s table into the literal body, blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

What if there were no priests or priesthood?

     To put the answer very simply, there would be no Roman Catholic Church. If the Bible were ever to become authoritative in the Catholic Church, there would certainly be no priests. An example of the complete disregard for the sacred Scripture held by the Roman Catholic Church is seen in the mandatory requisite of celibacy for every priest. One simply must read Paul’s epistle to Timothy, where God gives the requirements for a Pastor: ‘A bishop, then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach’ (1 Tim. 3 : 2).

     Now the phrase ‘must be’ is very interesting. Maybe you have seen it before in the Bible. Perhaps in the third chapter of the Gospel of John? Do you remember what Jesus said to Nicodemus? He said, “You must be born again.” Now I am sure that no respectable Roman Catholic theologian would deny the fact that this command is obligatory. The new birth is NOT optional! The language in 1 Timothy 3 : 2 is the same as in John 3. Therefore the pastor must be a married man. How clear is that? There is nothing like the word of God to clear up a religious education. Do you realize the impact of this truth? There is only one ‘church’ where none of its pastors are married. Not only are they not married, but also the Roman Catholic Church forbids them being married.

     Now the Bible has something to say about anyone that would forbid a pastor from being married: ‘Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth’ (1 Tim. 4 : 1-3).

     If you believe the Word of God you must then reject the Roman Catholic Church. For their Doctrines are of devils and completely contrary to the Bible. At best you must reject this absurd notion of a celibate priesthood, which in turn makes the teaching magisterium of the church no longer infallible, but in fact heretical and therefore should be rejected.

The Bible and a Sacrificing, Mediating Priesthood.

     The Council of Trent declared ‘If anyone saith that there is not in the New Testament a visible and external priesthood; or, that there is not any power of consecrating and offering the true body and blood of the Lord, and forgiving and retaining sins, but only an office and bare ministry of preaching the gospel; or that those who do not preach are not priests at all: let him be anathema.’ It seems clear that Rome knows that if she has no priesthood that she must close up shop.

Let us prove that there is no sacrificing priesthood in the New Testament from their scholars.

     The Catholic Encyclopedia says: ‘The divine institution of the threefold hierarchy cannot of course be derived from our text. In fact it cannot in any way be proved directly from the New Testament : it is a Catholic dogma by virtue of the dogmatic tradition. I.E. in a later period of ecclesiastical history. But dogmatic truth cannot be traced back to Christ Himself by anyalysis of strict historical testimony.’

     What an admission! The Roman Catholic Priesthood was made up hundreds of years after Jesus Christ! It is nowhere to be found in the Word of God. The only priesthood found in the New Testament that applies to Christians is the Royal Priesthood of ALL believers. No more offering a sacrifice for sins because the Lord Jesus offered a perfect sacrifice once for all and said it was finished. There is nothing for you and yours to do except what the apostle Paul said in Acts 16 : 31, ‘believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.’

Anti-Bible

     Recently, I wrote a paper entitled, ‘Bless me Father...’? It seems to have caused quite a stir. As usual the opposition never deals with the text at hand, but rather tries to circumvent the issue by using secondary sources and opinions of men. This in itself is further proof that Roman Catholic apologists are simply ANTl-BIBLE. The Word of God is not their final authority and certainly not their only authority. Their authority lies in the traditions of men. Check and see if an issue is ever answered with just the Word of God being the final word. You will never see that in this life.

THE ISSUES:
     # 1. “Call no man your Father” is very clear in Matthew 23 : 9 to the intellectually honest person. It certainly is not referring to your biological father. We are to give to no man the office of spiritual father. We have one Spiritual Father who is in heaven. Does anyone ever refer to anyone in the New Testament as ‘father’? The New Testament does not teach the false dichotomy of laity and clergy. That is a man-made invention. Further, to deny that Catholicism teaches the primacy of their priesthood is an insult to anyone that has been through a basic catechism for children. But let us not be the final word on that, but allow us to quote official Roman Catholic sources.

1. “The forgivness of God can be obtained ONLY through the supplication of priests.” (POPE LEO THE GREAT)
2. “Indeed, it is not too much to say that, in view of the sublimity of their offices, priests are so many gods!” (POPE INNOCENT III)
3. “PRIESTS ARE THE SAVIORS OF THE WORLD.” (SAINT JEROME)

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(editor's note) Try this interesting little history note. This quote comes from author Milton Cooper (Behold A Pale Horse) :
“During WW II, a Polish salesman working for I G Farbin Chemical Co, sold Cyanide, Zyclon B and Malathion to the Nazis to help exterminate the Jews at Auschwitz. After the war, he feared for his life, so he joined the Catholic church and became a priest in 1946. In 1958 he was ordained as Poland's youngest Bishop. After 30 days, the reigning Pope was assassinated and he became Pope John Paul II.”

...savior of the world... selling nerve gas to Hitler to perform genocide on the Jews.
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4. “To the carnal eye, priests look just like other men, but to the eye of faith he is exalted above angels.” (CARDINAL GIBBONS)

     I would think that would be sufficient proof for anyone that the priest is ‘sacrosanct’ to the average catholic. But if not that, how about the title “HOLY FATHER”? No one ever seems to deal with that issue. How can Karol W. aka John Paul II be the “HOLY FATHER”? Please explain that from the Word of God.

ISSUE # 2.
     Do not try and tell any Catholic in the pew that Catholic priests can marry. Their celibacy is not optional. Thousands have left the various orders because they wanted to marry. Of course we are aware that a priest does not break his vow of chastity unless he marries. Simply having sex will not break the vow according to ‘Catholic’ morals. (And does anyone want to explain how ‘priests’ RAPE little boys hundreds of times, and are punished by the church by being transferred to different churches, where they say, “Your sins are forgiven”?Interestingly enough, the rulers of Rome were called 'Caesars. ' We call him President. Eqypt called him Pharoah. Rome had seventeen caesars. Fourteen of them were aggressively outspoken homosexuals. Think about that one.) Further to deny the mandate in 1 Timothy 3 : 2 is childish and anti-Bible. Jesus declares in John 3 that we “must be...” Then obviously we must be whatever comes after. Paul tells Timothy that the pastor ‘must be...’! So the prerequisites of the pastor in 1 Timothy must be met! Not just one or two of them, but ALL of them. A husband is a married man! You don’t need to be a Jesuit to figure that out. Paul was not a pastor but an Apostle. It was his option to marry or not.

There are no qualifications for Apostles other than :

1. They were a witness of the resurrection of Christ;
2. Chosen by Christ Himself;
3. Discipled by Jesus Christ.
     Hence it was not a problem that Peter was married, nor was it required of him since he was not a pastor either. For a real interesting study - why were Catholic priests forbidden to marry?

ISSUE # 3.
     The Bible clearly does not teach a sacrificing, mediating earthly priesthood of men. It does teach of a mediating High priest who offered one sacrifice, for all, forever and is now our sole mediator, advocate and savior. His name is Jesus the Christ. In the first article I quoted from The Catholic Encyclopedia to prove that the Roman Catholic priesthood was NOT biblical and ‘cannot be traced back to Christ Himself by analysis of strict historical testimony.’ If that were not enough, let us quote some other official catholic sources:

1) The words ‘priest’ and ‘priesthood’ are never applied in the New Testament to the office of the Christian ministry. ALL Christians are said to be priests (Catholic Dictionary, Addis & Arnold Pg. 692).
2) ‘The priesthood evolved’ (Catholic Ency. Vol. XII).
3) ‘Priests were not so called in the very earliest Christian times; rather they were the presbyters or elders’ (Mass of the Future, Ellard, pg. 66).
4) ‘The Apostolic Fathers abstained from any mention of a Christian priesthood’ (Catholic Dictionary, Addis & Arnold pg. 693).

     It should now quite clear that there was never a Roman Catholic priesthood established by the Lord Jesus Christ, but rather a priesthood of believers, in which every born-again person is a member.

ISSUE # 4.
     The argument that the word “presbyters” should be translated ‘priest’ because the German matches is laughable. Firstly, the Bible, i.e., the New Testament, was written in Koine Greek not German. Secondly, there was no German language at the time the New Testament was written. Thirdly, the Greek language has its own word for priest (Heirus) and that word is never used when referring to a New Testament Believer. One only has to read Hebrews chapter 7 to see clearly that the Lord did not establish such a thing as a sacrificing priesthood. All ‘veil-menders’ must believe that He did in order to keep people under religious bondage and give them job security. Even Peter twenty-five years after the cross of Christ testifies that he is merely a co-elder and nothing more. Nowhere in the New Testament does Peter or Paul or any Christian offer a ‘Mass’ for the sins of the living and the dead. Nowhere in the New Testament does Peter or Paul or any Apostle hear someone’s confession. Nowhere in the New Testament for that matter, does anyone even mention a ‘sacrament’ or even have a clue as to what one is. If you were to give them Romanism’s definition they would surely say that you were anti-Bible and that you were frustrating the Grace of God.

       Please remember, those who are unsaved and those who are misled and tangled up in cults that lead to hell are lost souls at this time. They are to be lovingly instructed with the truth to the best of our ability; NOT to be killed as the enemy. There is 'religion-bashing' where people try to exalt their beliefs improperly, and then there is shining the light of the Word of God so that others may know the real Jesus of the bible and come to Him.

     In closing let me say that a person must not let some secondary source correct a primary source. Never let someone’s opinion be your authority, but only allow God’s word to have the final say in the matter. To every question, every comment, every thought, let this be the statement carved in stone : Can you back that up with Scripture?

God Bless You.
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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
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CULTS - Catholics- Holy Mary?
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    I wonder, do you know the Mary of Mary’s Well, in Nazareth, Israel, and of the Gospels? She was a very special woman, blessed by God, and occupies a unique place in history. There has never been another woman just like her. She is an example to all women of purity, humility, faith and obedience. But I’d like you to notice some things that the Rosary says about Mary :

Holy Mary, pray for us...
Queen of Heaven
Queen conceived without stain of sin
Ark of the Covenant
Door of Heaven
Star of the morning
Healer of the sick
Refuge of sinners
Queen of the angels
Queen of the patriarchs
Queen of the confessors
Queen of all saints
Mystic Rose
Tower of David
Holy Mother of God
Holy Virgin of virgins
Mother of divine grace
Virgin worthy of veneration
Virgin worthy of praise
Powerful virgin
Merciful Virgin
Mirror of righteousness
Throne of wisdom
Source of our joy
Spiritual vessel
Venerable vessel

     Yes, these things and many more are said about the Mary of the Rosary, the woman who is presented to us as the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you really know her? Perhaps you think so because they have told you about her since you were a child, but let’s see if you really know the Mary of the Scriptures.

     Take the example of John the Baptist. The Lord Jesus said that John was the greatest of the prophets, but when they asked John, ‘Who are you?’ he refused to take any title or honor for himself. He said, ‘I am not the Christ... I am not... no’ (John 1 : 20-21). Each time he spoke he had less to say about himself, as if he were shrinking! And when they insisted, ‘What do you say concerning yourself?’ he answered, ‘I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness’ (John 1 : 23).

     The case of Mary is similar. She was specially blessed of God to conceive and bear the Lord Jesus, and the angel called her ‘highly favored’ (Luke 1 : 28). But there is a great distance between this statement and all the titles that the followers and devotees of Mary give her today. And as in the case of John the Baptist, if we allow Mary to speak of herself, this is what she says, ‘Behold, the handmaid of the Lord’ (Luke 1 : 38), and ‘my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior’ (Luke 1 : 47). Mary did not lie, I’m sure we agree, and there you have it, she said that God was her Savior, which means she needed to be saved. She knew well who she was, and we have it from her own mouth in the humblest of words.

     John the Baptist, the greatest of the prophets, said about the Lord Jesus, ‘he must increase but I must decrease’ (John 3 : 30). This is the way it was with Mary as well. In John 2 : 5 she moved into the background and told the servants this about Jesus, ‘Whatever He says to you, do it.’ If the devotees of Mary really believed her and took her advice, from this moment forward they would be devotees of Jesus Christ, not of Mary. The key to eternal life and the grace of God is the Lord Jesus Christ, not Mary. The Lord Jesus said, “that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father” (John 5 : 23). We are not told to honor Mary as divine or heavenly. There is no place in the Scriptures where the Apostles or early Christians prayed to Mary or venerated her. Did you know that there is no Rosary anywhere in the New Testament? When the Lord Jesus spoke of heaven, He said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by Me” (John 14 : 6). He never said, ‘To Jesus through Mary,’ but rather, as His words indicate, the way to God the Father is through Jesus Christ. So let’s not allow ourselves to be deceived, nor allow our respect for Mary to be misguided by traditions or sentimentalism. She is blessed, but she is not the way to God. The Lord Jesus Christ is the way, the only way (see Peter’s words in Acts 4 : 12).

     Who, then, is the Mary of the Bible? To answer that question we will need to go directly to the Scriptures, not to the Missal, prayer book, catechisms, etc. It’s like drinking water right from the fountainhead, instead of the muddy stream. In the Bible we have already seen that the angel said, ‘highly favored,’ and Mary replied, ‘Behold, the handmaid of the Lord’. The Lord Jesus called her, ‘woman’ (John 2 : 4), not ‘holy mother’. The Apostles knew her as ‘Mary the mother of Jesus’ (Acts 1 : 14), not as ‘Mother of God’. For true believers, here are four texts, one from an angel, one from Mary herself, one from the Lord Jesus, and one from the Apostles, that describe the Biblical Mary.

     Strangely, in spite of the clear record, there are people who insist on exalting a humble godly woman and making her something that neither angels, apostles, the Lord nor Mary herself claimed to be: a goddess. Perhaps they are unaware that this is the sin of idolatry, but the Mary that they have fabricated is a religious legend, not the true Mary of the Bible. It is another woman disguised as Mary who receives the devotion of her followers.

     She is not the mother of God. No one in heaven, or in the Church in the New Testament called Mary ‘Mother of God,’ because God does not have a mother or a beginning; He is eternal. God the Son existed in heaven in perfect fellowship and glory with the Father before creation (see John 17 : 5). Mary is the mother of the flesh of Jesus, simply the human vessel through which God became flesh, blessed to receive the Incarnate Lord, not to make Him.

     She is most certainly not the door of heaven, for this is a phrase that describes the Lord Jesus Christ. As with many of her titles, they have apparently been robbed from Christ, long years ago, by people who didn’t really know Him, love Him, follow Him, or find Him to be sufficient as their Savior. Were they sincere? Probably. But the simple fact is, they insult the Lord Jesus by taking His titles and giving them to His human mother. He said, ‘I am the door, by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved’ (John 10 : 9). That is about as clear as it can be. Therefore, to call Mary the door of heaven is nothing less than blasphemy.

     She is not the mother of the Church, nor of the apostles (at least not of the true Church), because the Church is a creation of God through the Holy Spirit, just as Adam and Eve were created without human parents. The Church is the bride of the Lord Jesus Christ, not the daughter of Mary. Therefore, to present Mary as the mother of the Church is not mystic, but simply ridiculous.

     The Mary of the Bible is not the mother of all grace, because grace proceeds uniquely from God the Father and Jesus Christ (see Gala.1 : 3; Ephes. 1 : 2; Phil. 1 : 2; Colo. 1 : 2; 1 Thess. 1 : 1, etc.). It is not dispensed by humans but received by them, nor is it dispensed by churches or through sacraments, but only by God. Men should look to God for grace, not to Mary nor to any church.

     She is not the throne of wisdom, because wisdom comes from God. She is not given a throne and has no spiritual wisdom to give others. We can learn from her example how to believe God and obey Him in a humble way, but she does not dispense wisdom. True wisdom descends from above, from the Father of lights (James 1 : 17; 3 : 17). There is no such thing as a ‘mother of lights’.

     She is emphatically not the queen of heaven, let’s be clear about this, because the Bible never gives her this title. There is no queen ruling in heaven. The throne belongs to God and to the Lamb, but not to Mary (see Revelation 7 : 15, 17; 22 : 1). In John 14 : 1 the Lord called heaven, ‘my Father’s house,’ but never said it was His mother’s house. Those who know the Holy Scriptures know that ‘queen of heaven’ is an idolatrous title from the pagan mythology of Babylon (Semiramis), repeated in Egypt (Isis) and elsewhere by other names (see Jeremiah 44 : 15-19, 25). According to verse 15 of this text, many of the devotees of the pagan ‘queen of heaven’ were women. This pagan practice of devotion to female deities invaded the professing church after the Roman Emperor legalized Christianity and professed to believe, making it popular. Instead of being persecuted, Christians were to be allowed to build temples to worship in, and some pagans erased the names of their gods and goddesses and substituted Biblical names. Instead of the Babylonian mother-god Semiramis and her son Tammuz, or the Egyptian mother-god Isis, and her son Horus, they put the names Mary and Jesus. This practice of devotion to the mother and her son is neither Christian, nor apostolic, nor Biblical.

     We are not told to believe in Mary, trust her, nor pray to her. The Lord Jesus said, “Ye believe in God, believe also in me” (John 14 : 1) but He never said, “believe also in My mother.” If it were necessary, why didn’t He say so? He taught the disciples to pray in that wonderful way, saying, “Our Father, which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name” but have you noticed that He never taught them to pray to Mary? Christ said that whatever we ask the Father in His name, will be given us (John 15 : 16; 16 : 23). We can go directly to the Father through the Son, and Mary is never presented as a mediatrix or intercessor. No one in the New Testament ever prayed to her. The true Mary cannot hear our prayers nor answer them. She would have to be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent to do that, and she is not, for she is not God. Anyone who prays to her is guilty of and idolatry.

     The Mary of the Bible has already told us who she is. I invite you to look up and read each of the Scriptures, and see for yourself what the truth is in the Bible. The angel Gabriel has spoken. The Holy Apostles have spoken. The Lord Jesus has spoken, and this should be enough. He said, “I and my Father are one” (John 10 : 30), but never mentioned Mary in this way. Nothing can be added to contradict or modify what the Scriptures say. But if in spite of this anyone continues venerating and practicing devotion to the legendary or mystical Mary that certain churches promote, then such a person shows that he is not a true believer. He is a pagan devotee of a goddess who uses the name of Mary to turn people away from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

     Friend, if you have venerated or prayed to Mary, I think you can see from the Scriptures such behavior is not pleasing to God. Perhaps you did it sincerely, but in ignorance. Nevertheless, now that you know the truth, you should confess it as sin, repent, and put all your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone, for He alone can save you. I hope you’ll take the advice of Mary and do whatever the Son says. He says that we should trust in Him for eternal life (John 3 : 16). And while you’re at it, take the advice of John the Baptist, too, and let the Lord Jesus Christ increase in your life. The apostolic doctrine teaches us that there is one God and one mediator between God and men, not one God and many mediators. The one whose is both God and Mediator is named Christ Jesus. Do you know Him, and have you put your trust in Him alone for salvation? If not, I hope you’ll do so right now.

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.


CULTS - Catholics-The Pope Rejects Jesus
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     Have you heard what Pope John Paul II has been saying about Jesus Christ? One of the reasons Roman Catholics are uncertain about their salvation is because of the deranged teaching that is coming out of the Vatican. The conflicting pronouncements of the pope are making him appear more and more like a double-minded man, unstable in all he does (James 1 : 8). While he consistently rejects the necessity and sufficiency of Jesus Christ as the Savior, he has been inconsistent on the role of the Roman Catholic Church’s in salvation. In less than 3 years, Pope John Paul has renounced the Word of God with three controversial declarations :

Knowledge of Jesus Christ or His church is not necessary for salvation

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation

Members of other religions can be saved even if Jesus Christ is not recognized as savior.
Let us examine the pope’s well-documented statements in the light of Scripture.


The Vatican Information Service (VIS) reported what the Pope had to say on the Seeds of Truth in Non-Christian Religions :

‘The Holy Father explained the Holy Spirit is mysteriously present in the heart of every person. Through the practice of what is good in their own religious traditions, and following the dictates of their consciences, members of other religions positively respond to God’s invitation and receive salvation in Jesus Christ, even though they may not recognize Him as their Savior.’ (VIS, 9/9/98)

     Two years later, in his papal encyclical Dominus Iesus, John Paul denies the sufficiency of Christ by proclaiming the Roman Catholic Church is necessary and efficacious in saving the world :

‘The Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation.’ It declares that: ‘God has willed that the Church founded by him be the instrument for the salvation of all humanity.’ (VIS, 9/6/00)

Three months later, the pope once again contradicts himself in message to a general audience at the Vatican :

‘The Gospel teaches us that those who live in accordance with the Beatitudes–the poor in spirit, the pure of heart, those who bear lovingly the sufferings of life - will enter God’s Kingdom. All who seek God with a sincere heart, including those who do not know Christ and his Church, contribute under the influence of grace to the building of this Kingdom.’ (VIS, 12/6/00)

     It is because of fallacious teachings such as these that sinners are diverted away from the narrow gate that leads to life (Matt. 7 : 13). The Roman Catholic Church has a history of false teachers who have stood in front of the narrow gate pointing gullible, lazy, undiscerning victims to the broad road that leads to destruction. In doing so, they shut off the kingdom of heaven from men (Matt. 23 : 13). Only the few people who strive to enter the narrow gate can ever find it (Luke 13 : 24). It takes effort to avoid being deceived by false apostles masquerading as apostles of Christ (2 Corinth. 11 : 13). It takes discipline to examine every teaching in light of Scripture (Acts 17 : 11). It takes an unwavering loyalty to truth to reject anything that does not conform with God’s word (Ephes. 5 : 11).

     The Bible boldly and clearly proclaims the Lord Jesus Christ as God’s only provision for sin. Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.” (John 14 : 6) Sinners need Jesus as the way, the truth and the life because they are lost, deceived and spiritually dead.

Why is Jesus the Only Way?

     When you are lost you need to know the way, and if there is only one way, you need to know Jesus. ‘For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost’ (Luke 19 : 10). Whenever lost sheep hear His voice they will follow Him and be saved (John 10 : 3-9). God’s way is through His Son and leads to life. Man’s way is through self righteousness and leads to death. There is a way which seems right to a man but its end is the way of death (Prov. 14 : 12). Jesus is a sinner’s only approach to a holy, righteous and just God because sin has made man unrighteous. God’s holiness demands perfect righteousness; nothing impure can enter into heaven (Revel. 21 : 27). Jesus is the only way because the perfect righteousness He earned during His life on earth is necessary to enter into heaven. The righteousness we need to enter heaven is nothing less than the very righteousness of Jesus. God credits His righteousness to all who trust Him. Jesus becomes our righteousness when we believe He is the only way (1 Corinth. 1 : 30).

Why is Jesus the Truth We Need?

     People are easily taken captive through philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men and the elementary principles of the world (Colo. 2 : 8). For this reason Jesus came into the world to bear witness to the truth (John 18 : 37). Jesus said, “If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8 : 31-32). He sets people free from the bondage of deception. Jesus is not only the personification of truth, His word is truth (John 17 : 17). Those who reject His word are rejecting Him as well (John 12 : 48). The world needs a standard for truth because Satan leads the whole world astray through false teachers and false prophets (1 John 5 : 19; Revel. 12 : 9). The only way to discern God’s truth from Satan’s lies is to use Christ and His Word as the ultimate standard for truth. To use any other standard is to invite deception.

Why is Jesus the Life We Need?

     We are born spiritually dead in sin. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned (Rom. 5 : 12). It is for this reason Jesus announced, “unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3 : 3). When one is born again he receives the life of Christ. Jesus declared, “He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life” (1 John 5 : 12). Jesus gives life to whom He wishes (John 5 : 21). Paul describes the new birth, ‘when you were dead in your transgressions... He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions (Colo. 2 : 13). The gift of eternal life is ‘eternal’ because it is the very life of Jesus, who can never die again (Rom. 6 : 6-9).

Why is Jesus the Only Mediator?

     Whenever two parties are at enmity with one another a mediator is needed. The relationship unforgiven sinners have with God is one of hostility and wrath. A mediator is one who can effect a change in the relationship with God, from one of hostility to one of peace and harmony. Jesus Christ is the only one qualified to do this. He is God’s perfect man and man’s perfect God. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Tim. 2 : 5). Only in Christ Jesus can those who formerly were far off, be brought near by the blood of Christ. Only in Christ can the sin, that separated us from God, be removed (Isaiah 59 : 2). For He Himself is our peace, who... broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity... through the cross (Ephes. 2 : 13-16). Only in Christ, can believers be permanently united with God forever (Rom. 8 : 31-39).

Why is Jesus the Only Savior?

     Peter proclaimed: ‘there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved’ (Acts 4 : 12). Jesus is the only savior because no other man can pay the price. No man can by any means redeem his brother Or give to God a ransom for him - For the redemption of his soul is costly, And he should cease trying forever (Psalm 49 : 7-8). The redemption of a sinner’s soul requires an infinite payment because the debt for sin is eternal. The debt is punishment in the eternal lake of fire (Revel. 20 : 14). Even after a thousand years in hell, the debt owed is still infinite. It is utterly impossible for a finite man to pay an infinite debt. Only an infinite and eternal God can pay the eternal debt for sin. Jesus paid it in full ‘having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and which was hostile to us; He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross (Colo. 2 : 14).

Jesus Christ Is Necessary!

     Putting aside the fallacious and deceptive teachings of Pope John Paul II, it is perfectly clear that Jesus Christ is the only way, the only mediator, the only name, the only savior and the only provision for sinners to escape the wrath of God. He is the truth that can set Roman Catholics free from the bondage of papal deceit. He is the life that can awaken souls dead in their sins.

     The night before Jesus went to the cross to experience the cup of God’s wrath, He sweat drops of blood and prayed, “Father, if Thou art willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Thine be done” (Luke 22 : 42). The heavens were silent because there is no other way. Christ had to die for sins, once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God (1 Pet. 3 : 18).

     If there is anything incomplete in Christ, then He did not satisfy God’s justice and He did not finish the work of redemption, which He declared He had done (John 17 : 4). The pope makes Christ out to be a liar and makes a mockery of Christianity. His pronouncements are blasphemous insults to Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ is forsaken when any other way of salvation is proclaimed. I would use stronger language if I could properly find the words.

     When will Roman Catholics wake up and hold their pope accountable for what he says? How long will they allow their ‘infallible’ leader to deny Jesus Christ as the only way of salvation. When will more Christians openly and publicly rebuke this pope for proclaiming another gospel that leads millions to a Christless eternity? When will evangelicals recognize this man is not a servant of God but an enemy of Christ and His Gospel?

     People must decide whether it is wiser and safer to trust the infallible word of God as a guide or to believe the teaching of a man who foolishly usurps the authority and role of Jesus Christ, and who tells you God’s word does not mean what it says. The next time someone asks you a question or makes a comment about spiritual matters, ask them this : “Can you back that up with Scripture?”

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.

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CULTS - Exposing the Book of Mormon
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The Book of Mormon may indeed be “the key to conversion.” Honest Mormons – when they find the Book of Mormon to be full of inconsistencies and errors – may turn from Mormonism. Consider the facts :

Sadly, the fact is that the Book of Mormon is a fraud. There are several ways the Book of Mormon can be demonstrated to be of human, not divine origin.

First, the changes in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon was said to have been translated “by the gift and power of God” and is “the most perfect of any book on the face of the earth.” But, the fact that it has been changed some 4,000 times in the last 150 years demonstrates it is of human, not divine, origin.

Second, the theology of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon was given to restore “plain and precious things” lost from the Bible. But the theology of the Book of Mormon does not support much of the theology of Mormonism. In fact the Book of Mormon actually opposes at times the theology of the Mormon Church. If Mormonism does not teach the Book of Mormon, then either the Book of Mormon is wrong or the church itself is apostate.

Third, the archaeology of the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon supposedly is “a history of the ancient inhabitants of this continent.” But the sciences of geography, archaeology, and anthropology demonstrate the Book of Mormon cannot be a record of pre-Columbian American peoples.

The Book of Mormon talks about ferrous and non-ferrous metal industries. In my recent reading of the Book of Mormon, I find that iron and steel are mentioned in sufficient context to suggest that there was a ferrous industry here. But Brigham Young University Professor of Anthropology Ray T. Matheny says archaeology proves that there was no iron mining in the Western Hemisphere in the pre-Columbian times. And there is no room for making a mistake about it:

“You can’t refine ore without leaving a bloom of some kind or... impurities that blossom out and float to the top of the ore (dross)... and also the flux of limestone or whatever is used to flux the material. This blooms off into silicas and indestructible new rock forms. In other words, when you have a ferroused metallurgical industry, you have these evidences of the detritus that is left over. You also have the fuels, you have the furnaces, you have whatever technologies that were there performing these tasks; they leave solid evidences. And they are indestructible things. No evidence has been found in the new world for a ferrous metallurgical industry dating to pre-Columbian times. And so this is a king-sized problem, it seems to me, for the so-called Book of Mormon archeology. This evidence is absent.”

The Book of Mormon not only mentions iron, but steel and machinery and scimitars and breastplates and metal engraving (which calls for hardened steel-tipped tools to chase metal). It speaks of gold and silver coinage – no Western-style coins have ever been found from pre-Columbian America.

The Book of Mormon mentions shipbuilding, sailing, the use of magnetic compass, wheeled vehicles (drawn by horses), tent manufacture, and linen manufacture. Archaeologists unanimously agree that none of these activities took place in the New World before the arrival of the Spanish colonizers. The Book of Mormon also describes non-Western agricultural like wheat and barley, flax and vineyards (and wine presses). These are giant archaeological problems. So is the description of domestic animals such as dogs, cows, goats, sheep, horses, asses, oxen, swine, and elephants. In addition the Book of Mormon uses attending cultural backup words like: pasture, chariot, stable, horned cattle, fowl, lamb, and fatlings.

Matheny concludes that the Book of Mormon terminologies and language are “nineteenth-century literary concepts and cultural experiences one would expect Joseph Smith and his colleagues to experience.” In other words, this Brigham Young University professor thinks Joseph Smith made up the Book of Mormon.

Another BYU Professor, John L. Sorenson, an anthropologist, says the American Indians clearly did not descend from Hebrews; the languages of the New World do not have a Hebrew root; and the physical and biological characteristics of the American Indians are not Semitic. (The American Indians are, with no challenge, Mongoloid, not Caucasian. No amount of breeding will produce Mongoloids from Caucasians.) - (There is a dvd out now, DNA vs The Book Of Mormon, which is a must-see review of the science of DNA which provides complete proof that DNA by itself denies the entire foundation of the Mormon claims).

Sorenson also says there is no way the geography spoken of in the Book of Mormon could have stretched thousands of miles from South America to New York – as the Book of Mormon states. “It could not have been longer than seven hundred miles,” Sorenson says. Latter-day Saints, according to Sorenson, are going to have to revise their concept of truth about the Book of Mormon.

Summed up quite simply, the book of Mormon is a complete and total fraud, and proves itself, by itself, to be utter fantasy.

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.

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CULTS - Mormons - LDS
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If you have ever been approached by Mormons (the “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” or LDS Church) their 'missionaries' from that church have probably told you some of their key beliefs, and told you that they are the only true church, or the most similar to the Christian Church, of all existing religions. Their belief system is built entirely on a very few basic concepts and keys. It is crucial that you study these keys, and see them in their reality. Let's look at the basic philosophy of the Mormon beliefs :

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THEY SAY : Mormonism began when Joseph Smith, a young man in western New York, was spurred by a Christian revival where he lived in 1820 to pray to God for guidance as to which church was true. In answer to his prayers he was visited by God the Father and God the Son, two separate beings, who told him to join no church because all the churches at that time were false, and that he, Joseph, would bring forth the true church. This event is called “The First Vision.” (In 1828, eight years after he says he had been told by God himself to join no church, Smith applied for membership in a local Methodist church.)

HOWEVER : The “First Vision” story in the form presented to you was unknown until 1838, eighteen years after its alleged occurrence and almost ten years after Smith had begun his missionary efforts. The oldest version of the vision is in Smith's own handwriting, dating from about 1832 (still at least eleven years afterwards), and says that only one personage, Jesus Christ, appeared to him. It also contradicts the later account as to whether Smith had already decided that no church was true. Still a third version of this event is recorded as a recollection in Smith's diary, fifteen years after the alleged vision, where one unidentified “personage” appeared, then another, with a message implying that neither was the Son. They were accompanied by many “angels,” which are not mentioned in the official version you have been told about. Which version is correct, if any? Why was this event, now said by the church to be so important, unknown for so long?

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THEY SAY : In 1823 Joseph had another heavenly visitation, in which an angel named Moroni told him of a sacred history written by ancient Hebrews in America, engraved in an Egyptian dialect on tablets of gold and buried in a nearby hill. Joseph was told it was the history of the ancient peoples of America, and that Joseph would be the instrument for bringing this record to the knowledge of the world. Joseph obtained these gold plates from the angel in 1827, and translated them into English by the spirit of God and the use of a sacred instrument accompanying the plates called the “Urim and Thummim.” The translation was published in 1830 as The Book of Mormon.

HOWEVER : The only persons who claimed to have actually seen the gold plates were eleven close friends of Smith (many of them related to each other). Their testimonies are printed in the front of every copy of the Book of Mormon. No disinterested third party was ever allowed to examine them. They were 'retrieved' by the angel at some unrecorded point. Most of the witnesses later abandoned Smith and left his movement. Smith then called them “liars.”

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THEY SAY : The Book of Mormon is a religious and secular history of the inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere from about 2200 BC to about 421 AD. It tells the reader that the American Indians are descended from three groups of immigrants who were led by God from their original homes in the Near East to America. One group came from the Tower of Babel, and two other groups came from Jerusalem just before the Babylonian Captivity, about 600 BC. They were led by prophets of God who had the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is thus preserved in their history, the Book of Mormon. The most important event during this long history was the visit of Jesus Christ to America, after his crucifixion, when he ministered to (and converted) all the inhabitants.

HOWEVER : Scripture does not support this AT ALL. Read for yourself :

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I (Luke ) wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach until the day he was taken up to heaven... He (Jesus) showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days... On one occasion... He gave them this command : “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but IN A FEW DAYS, you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”...After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1 : 1-10

“...And I (Jesus) will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever – the Spirit of truth... I will not LEAVE YOU as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, THE WORLD WILL NOT SEE ME anymore, but you will see me.” John 14 : 16-18

Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?’ Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.” John 15 : 5-7

Now, brothers, I (Peter) know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Christ would suffer. Repent, then, and turn to God... and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you - even Jesus. He MUST REMAIN IN HEAVEN until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago Acts 3 : 17-23

(Jesus says) “For lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Matt. 24 : 27

Jesus clearly said He could NOT send the Spirit unless HE LEFT.

Yeah, but “...I will not LEAVE YOU as orphans; I will come to you.” So, who comes, the Spirit, or the Son? THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME. Read : You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. Romans 8 : 9-10

Jesus HAD TO leave to send the Spirit. Peter told us HE HAS TO REMAIN in Heaven. The angels told us HE would return in the same way. And HE told us ...as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. I have a friend in Sweden. The Day Jesus Christ comes back, I will NOT run to the phone to call her (from New England) and say, “Look! LOOK! Here comes Jesus!” She will see him. I can't call my friends in New Guinea either. WHEN JESUS CHRIST COMES TO THE EARTH, EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM.

The Mormons are WRONG. Jesus Christ WAS NEVER in North America. Also in the Old Testament the Lord told His people time and time again that He would give them a land flowing with milk and honey. He told them they would have all of the middle east. HE never told them He would guide them to LA. No Hebrew group, led by God, ever left Hebrew-occupied Jerusalem, the Holy City of David, THE PROMISED LAND, to head for Los Angeles. (the City of Angels? And by the way, God BEGAN with the Hebrews in the Garden. He followed them to the Ark, to Egypt, and beyond. He gave them the Prophets, the Ten Commandments, the Ark of the Covenant, the war glories in the Promised Land... With all this, when Jesus arrived in Israel, HE did by NO means convert all the Jews. So how did He convert all the Indians in LA?)

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Now, they like to say, “Well, Joseph was a powerful prophet, who WAS visited by a Holy Angel. So, either he WAS a true prophet, or he was a liar.”

Only God knows what compelled Joseph Smith to say what he said. I would just as soon give him the benefit of the doubt, and give them a third option. Satan is known as “Father of Lies“ and is told of “...masquerading as an angel of Light.” I don't know what he saw; could it be that he DID have a visit, one from a demon? (demon, also known as a fallen angel)

One thing is CERTAIN: the definition of a prophet. Let's look at what a true prophet is; what he says, and what MUST occur to validate what he says. Then let's look at what prophet Joe said, and the results of his words.

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“And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously...” Deut. 18:21-22

The fulfillment of a prophecy cannot be delayed long. “They... say, “The vision that he seeth is for many days to come, and he prophesieth of the times that are far off. Therefore say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God: There shall none of my words be prolonged any more, but the word which I have spoken shall be done, saith the Lord God.” Ezek. 12:21-28

Joseph Smith himself (speaking for God) gave tests which could be applied to determine the truth of prophecies or revelations :

“And everything... that is not by me or by my word, ...shall be thrown down, and shall not remain after men are dead... For whatsoever things remain are by me; and whatsoever things are not by me shall be shaken and destroyed.” D&C 132:13-14.

Even Joseph Smith had to admit that some of his “revelations” might be of man or even of the devil. Comp Hist 1:165. This is contradictory in concept to the Deuteronomy 18:22 test, which says that the failure of the test indicates that the prophet is false.

Note that the prophecies and promises which are in the D&C “shall all be fulfilled.” If even one remains unfulfilled, then this also is a false prophecy. D&C 1:37

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PROPHICIES OF JOSEPH SMITH

Now we know what a TRUE prophet is. So let's look now at the prophecies of Joseph Smith, upon which the entire Mormon church is built.

The following prophecies made by Joseph Smith HAVE NOT BEEN fulfilled in over 150 years. They are given in approximate chronological order, except for the many Missouri prophecies, which are grouped together.

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SALE OF BOOK OF MORMON COPYRIGHT
Winter 1829-1830. Comp Hist 1:165 Joseph had a revelation that Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery were to go to Toronto to sell the copyright of the Book of Mormon to raise money. (Selling your book? Let's raise some money and sell the Bible. They now try to cover up this dismal flop by saying it was the PRINTING RIGHTS they wanted to sell, being too poor to print it themselves.) They went, according to the revelation, but were completely unsuccessful. Joseph Smith “inquired of God” and was told that some “revelations” are not from God.

PRAYERS ANSWERED
September 1830. D&C 29:6. Jesus promises the saints that “Whatsoever ye shall ask in faith... ye shall receive.” (see also D&C 132:40) Joseph Smith believed firmly in this promise (see Chron JS Mar 10, 1844)

The prayers of the faithful Mormons, especially during the periods of conflict in Kirtland, Missouri, and Nauvoo undoubtedly included many requests for divine aid, victory over their enemies, and peace in their lands. Surely they asked for these things. But instead they were driven out and found no peace. This prophecy is probably failing thousands of times a day, as faithful Mormons pray.

SAINTS GATHERED IN ONE PLACE
September 1830. D&C 29:8 God has decreed that the elect shall be gathered into one place “against the day when tribulation and desolation are sent forth upon the wicked.”

The “one place” continued to change as the Mormons were driven from one temporary refuge to the next. After arriving in Utah, the Mormons viewed that as the gathering place. But the modern church apparently no longer believes in this gathering, since it encourages new converts to remain in their homelands. Tribulation and desolation have not been sent forth upon the wicked.

ALL NATIONS SHALL BOW
March 1831. D&C 49:9-10. The nations of the earth shall bow to the Mormon gospel or they “shall come down” and “shall be laid low of power.”

None of the nations of the earth have accepted the Mormon gospel or “bowed” to it, yet none have been “laid low” because of it.

MISSOURI PROPHESIES
Joseph Smith made a number of prophecies regarding Missouri as the location of Zion and the gathering place and refuge for the saints. Since they all have the same general meaning and none of them have been fulfilled, they are dealt with together here.

March 7, 1831. D&C 45:64-74. Saints are to gather riches and purchase an inheritance to be called New Jerusalem, also called Zion, a place of refuge and safety, where the wicked will not come, and against which the wicked will refuse to battle. The righteous will come from all nations and sing songs of everlasting joy. The wicked will fear and stand afar off and tremble, and “all nations shall be afraid.”

July 1831. D&C 57:1-3 Missouri is named as the land consecrated for the gathering of the Saints and the place for the City of Zion and the building of a temple at Independence. It will be purchased by the saints “for an ever-lasting inheritance.”

August 13, 1831. D&C 62:1, 6. The faithful will be preserved and rejoice in Missouri. “I, the Lord, promise the faithful and cannot lie.”

Sept 22-23, 1832. D&C 84:2-5, 31 Zion will be built with its temple at Independence, “in this generation.” This generation shall not all pass away until the temple will be built upon the spot. Orson Pratt in 1870 reiterated the prophecy (JD 9:71, 10:344, 13:362) and insisted that it will come to pass within the generation living in 1832.

Jan 4, 1833. HC 1:315-316. Joseph Smith says “by the authority of Jesus Christ” that “not many years shall pass away” before the wicked “of this generation” will be swept from off the face of the land and the Lost Ten Tribes will be gathered to Missouri, and that “there are those now living upon the earth whose eyes shall not be closed in death until they see all these things, which I have spoken, fulfilled.”

Aug 2, 1833. D&C 97:18-20. Promise that if the saints are obedient the City of Zion (in Missouri) will prosper and become glorious, great and terrible, honored by the nations of the earth. Zion cannot fall or be moved out of its place.

Mormons were driven out of Independence and from all of their settlements in Missouri in 1839. The temple lot is not owned by the Mormon church. No one living in the generation when the prophecy was made is still alive. The wicked of that generation were no more “swept from off the face of the land” than were their contemporary Mormons. The Lost Ten Tribes have not been gathered to Missouri. Nothing in all these prophecies has been fulfilled, even though the majority of the saints steadfastly followed Joseph Smith and were faithful.

POSSESS YOUR LAND
Oct 12, 1833. D&C 100:13-15 Zion (Missouri) will be chastened “for a little season” but then “redeemed.” Dec 10, 1833. HC 1:455. Joseph Smith tells the saints that they should retain their lands in Missouri and seek legal redress against their enemies. If they should not obtain it, God will avenge them with “ten thousand of his Saints” and all their adversaries would be destroyed.

Dec 16, 1833. D&C 101:17-20 Zion (Missouri) shall not be moved out of its place; the Saints will receive their inheritance there, and there is no other place than Missouri appointed by God for the gathering of the Saints.

Feb 24, 1834. D&C 103:5-7 If the Saints will hearken to the counsel of the Lord, “they shall, for I have decreed it, begin to prevail against mine enemies from this very hour... and... they shall never cease to prevail until the kingdoms of the world are subdued under my feet, and the earth is given unto the saints, to possess it forever and ever.” Verse 15: “The redemption of Zion must needs come by power;” and God will raise up a man like Moses, namely Joseph Smith, who will enable them to “possess the goodly land” (v. 20). Joseph Smith is to organize Zion's Camp (a Mormon army) and relieve the distress of the Saints in Missouri. Verse 36: “All victory and glory is brought to pass unto you through your diligence, faithfulness and prayers of faith.”

Spring 1834. Joseph Smith prophesies to the members of Zion's Camp that “within three years they should march to Jackson County and there should not be a dog to open his mouth against them.” Reed Peck Manuscript p. 3 (cited in Tanner, The Mormon Kingdom 1:4)

Zion's Camp was organized but utterly failed and it disbanded in July. Cholera decimated them and the campaign did not restore the saints to their homes. They did not return as Zion's Camp. The Mormons continued to encounter fierce opposition. The Mormons never prevailed against their enemies.

June 22, 1834. D&C 105:13-15. The Lord says regarding Missouri: “I will fight your battles... the destroyer I have sent forth to destroy and lay waste mine enemies; and not many years hence they shall not be left to pollute mine heritage, and to blaspheme my name upon the lands which I have consecrated for the gathering together of my saints.”

The Mormons lost all their lands in Missouri; they did seek legal redress but were unsuccessful; their enemies were not destroyed; their wrongs were not avenged; the Mormons were driven out of Missouri within five years. The Missouri opponents of the Mormons were not destroyed, but have remained in Missouri.

Aug 16, 1834. HC 2:145. Joseph Smith says that the Spirit of the Lord tells him that the Saints should be ready to move into Jackson County, Missouri, on September 11, 1836, “which is the appointed time for the redemption of Zion.”

If Zion was redeemed in 1836, it was unredeemed in 1839, when the Mormons abandoned Missouri.

FAR WEST TEMPLE
April 26, 1838. D&C 115. Revelation concerning the city of Far West, Missouri, and the building of a temple there. God commands the temple to be built; the church will be gathered to Zion (Missouri), which will be “for a defense, and for a refuge from the storm.” Work on the temple is to commence in the summer of 1838, with construction to begin April 26, 1839, with work to continue “diligently until it shall be finished, from the corner stone thereof unto the top thereof, until there shall not anything remain that is not finished.” (v. 12) Verse 17: “I say unto you, it is my will that the city of Far West should be built up speedily by the gathering of my saints.”

The temple cornerstone was laid, but no more work was ever done and the temple is still not completed. Far West was abandoned by the Mormons soon after this revelation. It would appear that the building of the Far West temple was not the work of God, since God's work cannot be frustrated (see D&C 3:3).

LIBERTY JAIL PROPHECIES
March 20, 1839. D&C 121. This is “Prayer and Prophecies” from Joseph Smith while he was a prisoner in the jail at Liberty, Missouri. It contains several prophecies:

...he will be avenged of his enemies by the sword (v. 5) (this is phrased as a prayer, but God had promised Joseph Smith that his prayers would be answered; he need only ask. D&C 29:6)
...his friends will not charge him with transgressions (v. 10)
...the hopes of those who do charge him with transgression shall have their hope blasted (v.11)
...God will “change the times and seasons” (v. 12)
...Joseph Smith's enemies will be taken “in their own craftiness“ (v. 12)
...“not many years hence, ... his enemies and their posterity shall be swept from under heaven, saith God, that not one of them is left to stand by the wall.” (v. 15)
...knowledge will be poured down from heaven upon the heads of the Mormons.

None of these prophecies came to pass. Joseph Smith's enemies were not destroyed “by the sword;” rather, the Mormons were successfully driven out of Missouri. His friends did charge him with transgressions within a few years, and those charges (in The Nauvoo Expositor) resulted directly in his arrest and destruction, as his enemies wished. God did not “change the times and seasons,” whatever that means. In general, the enemies of the Mormons achieved their goal of driving the Mormons out and destroying Joseph Smith. Their posterity was not destroyed, but survived. At least, there is no record of the anti-Mormon Missourians being swept away. And what knowledge has been “poured down from heaven” upon the Mormons since 1839? (One might wonder why Smith spent so long in prison; according to the Book of Mormon , Mormon 8:24, faith can make prison walls tumble.)

CHRIST'S SECOND COMING
Joseph Smith prophesied on several occasions that the Second Coming was to be expected very soon.

Feb 14, 1835. HC 2:182. Joseph Smith preached that the coming of the Lord would be in 56 years (i.e., about 1891). This prophecy also occurs in his diary for April 6, 1843 and HC 5:336. See also D&C 130:14-17. Joseph Smith prophesies that “there of those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes.” He prophesies “in the name of the Lord God - let it be written: that the Son of Man will not come in the heavens till I am 85 years old, 48 years hence or about 1890.” (The official historians have deleted the last phrase, beginning with “48 years” from the church history, but it is contained in the original diary.) The version in D&C 130 is phrased negatively, i.e., Christ will not come before 1890. It is also made conditional on Joseph Smith living to the age of 85. Joseph Smith says (v 16) that it might merely mean that if he lives to 85 he will go where Christ is, and therefore see his face. But that interpretation would not make sense if the revelation is in response to Joseph Smith's inquiry about the time of the second coming (v 14).

The second coming did not occur about 1891, and the Church does not claim that it did. Nor has it occurred since. Joseph Smith did not live to be 85 years old. God must have known that he would not. Why would God make a revelation conditional upon an event which he knew would never happen?

NATIONS SHALL TREMBLE
Nov 3, 1831. D&C 133:42 “...all nations shall tremble at thy presence.”

No one can claim that all nations tremble at the presence of the Mormons.

ENEMIES WILL BE SHAMED
Dec 1, 1831. D&C 71:7-10 Mormons are to call upon their enemies to meet them both in public and in private, and the shame of their enemies shall be made manifest. “No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper.”

The Mormons are generally reluctant to discuss their religion with anyone but prospective converts, but, when they have been willing to meet with their critics and debate, they have not been particularly able to make their opponents' shame manifest. The Missourians and the residents of Hancock County, Illinois, who “formed weapons” against the Mormons, were successful in driving them out.

NEW YORK WILL BE DESTROYED
Sept 22-23, 1832. D&C 84:114-115. New York, Albany and Boston will be destroyed if they reject the gospel. The “hour of their judgment is nigh...”

Newell K. Whitney and Joseph Smith went to New York, Albany, and Boston and preached there. These cities did not accept their gospel. They have not been destroyed.

STARS WILL FALL
Dec 27, 1832. D&C 88:87. Earth shall tremble and reel, the sun shall not give light, the moon shall be bathed in blood, the stars shall “become exceedingly angry” and fall, all “not many days hence.”

More than 59,000 days have now passed, and this prophecy has not been fulfilled. It is doubtful that in any sense the stars will ever fall. (This is a paraphrase of Isa 13:10, as re-paraphrased by Matt 24:29 and Mark 13:25.)

THE UNITED ORDER - EVERLASTING
Apr 23, 1834. D&C 104. Revelation establishing a separate United Order in Missouri, to be “everlasting” (v 1), “immutable and unchangeable” (v 2), to benefit the church “until I come” (v 1). “This is the way that I, the Lord, have decreed to provide for my saints...” (v 16).

The United Order (holding all property in common) failed, even though the saints tried valiantly to make it work. It was attempted in Ohio, Missouri and Utah. Nowhere did it survive. It was not everlasting. It was not immutable or unchangeable, since it was tried with numerous variations. It has not provided for the saints. It has not lasted until the Lord has come.

MORMON DEBTS WILL BE PAID
April 23, 1834. D&C 104: 78-83. God's promise to deliver the Saints from their debts. “It is my will that you shall pay all your debts.” The Lord will soften the hearts of their creditors.

Joseph Smith and other prominent Mormons had to flee Kirtland to avoid their creditors, leaving debts of thousands of dollars unpaid. Smith ultimately filed bankruptcy.

APOSTLES IN FOREIGN LANDS AND HEAVEN
Jan 21, 1836. HC 2:380-381. Joseph Smith had vision of the future (thus, by implication, a prophecy) in which he saw “the Twelve Apostles of the Lamb, who are now upon the earth... in foreign lands, standing together in a circle, much fatigued, with their clothes tattered and feet swollen...” He saw “Elder M'Lellin in the south, standing upon a hill, surrounded by a vast multitude, preaching to them (and performing a miraculous healing).” He also saw Brigham Young “standing in a strange land, in the far south and west, in a desert place... preaching to them in their own tongue..” He also “saw the Twelve in the celestial kingdom of God.”

The Quorum of Twelve as constituted at the time of this revelation never was together in a foreign land as described. William E. M'Lellin never preached in the South, and was excommunicated May 11, 1838, just over two years after the prophecy. Brigham Young never preached to the inhabitants of any “strange land” in their own tongue. If Mormon doctrine is correct, five of the apostles seen by Joseph Smith “in the celestial kingdom” should never be there, because they apostatized or were excommunicated: Lyman Johnson, Luke S. Johnson, William E. M'Lellin, John F. Boynton, and William Smith.

KIRTLAND'S MORMON BANK WILL PROSPER
Jan 1837. LDS Mess & Adv. 3:443 Joseph Smith says it is “wisdom and according to the mind of the Holy Spirit” that the saints should invest in the Kirtland Safety Society. Wilford Woodruff's journal Jan 6, 1837, records that Joseph Smith declared “that he (Joseph Smith) had received that morning the word of the Lord upon the subject of the Kirtland Safety Society,” and that “if we would give heed to the commandments the Lord had given this morning all would be well.” (cited in Tanner, MSR 531) John F. Boynton, apostle, said that he understood that the bank was established because it was the will of God (HC 2:509-510) Joseph Smith prophesied that like Aaron's rod the bank would swallow up other banks “and grow and flourish ... and survive when all others should be laid in ruins.” Zion's Watchman March 24, 1838

The Kirtland Safety Society Bank, renamed the Anti - Banking Company, was organized Nov 2, 1836. It failed to receive a charter from the state, and Joseph Smith and S. Rigdon were convicted and fined $1000.00 for illegal banking. The bank failed miserably. Those who had invested in it lost their investment. (Comp Hist 1:401-402)

KIRTLAND LAND INVESTORS WILL BE RICH
April 1837. LDS Mess & Adv Apr 1837 p 488 “This place (Kirtland, Ohio) must be built up, and will be built up, and every brother that will take hold and help secure and discharge these land contracts shall be rich.”

Nobody became rich investing in Kirtland land contracts. Most of those involved in the Kirtland land speculation, encouraged by Joseph Smith, lost money. Joseph Smith himself went bankrupt and had to flee his creditors.

PROPHECY ABOUT THOMAS MARSH
July 23, 1837. D&C 112. Revelation to Thomas B. Marsh, then the president of the quorum of the Twelve Apostles, prophesying that he would be “exalted,” that he would preach to Jews and Gentiles “unto the ends of the earth,” “among the mountains, and among many nations.” Marsh is told that “by thy word many high ones shall be brought low, and .. many low ones shall be exalted.” In verse 11 Marsh is told that “I (God) know thy heart.”

Less than two years later, on March 17, 1839, Marsh was excommunicated. God apparently did NOT KNOW his heart. Marsh never preached the Mormon gospel as was prophesied, but was a bitter enemy of the church for many years. He later repented and rejoined the church, but this prophecy was never fulfilled.

PROPHECY ABOUT DAVID W. PATTEN
April 17, 1838. D&C 114:1. Revelation concerning David W. Patten, an apostle, directing him to settle his business up so that he could go on a mission “next spring... to testify of my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.”

Less than eight months later Patten was dead, killed leading Mormons in the Battle of Crooked River on October 25, 1838. He never went on the mission as prophesied. It cannot be that his lack of faith frustrated the revelation, since Joseph Smith said of him that he “died as he had lived, a man of God, and strong in the faith.” HC 3:171.

PROPHECY ABOUT OLIVER GRANGER
July 8, 1838. D&C 117:12-15. Revelation and prophecy regarding Oliver Granger: “his name shall be had in sacred remembrance from generation to generation, forever and ever, saith the Lord... let the blessings of my people be on him forever and ever.”

Few Mormons know anything about Oliver Granger beyond this mention in the D&C, and most are even unaware of that. As far as the Mormon people are concerned, Oliver Granger has been forgotten, rather than “had in sacred remembrance... forever and ever.”

JOSEPH WILL BE SUCCEEDED BY HIS SON
April 22, 1839 and Aug 27, 1834. Joseph Smith says that he will be succeeded by his oldest son, Joseph Smith III. (Quinn pp 630, 638)

Joseph Smith III left the main body of Mormons when they went to Utah under Brigham Young. Thus, according to the Utah church, he did not become his father's successor in the Utah church. He became president of the Reorganized Church in 1860.

PROPHECY ABOUT GEORGE MILLER
Jan 19, 1841. D&C 124:20-21. Revelation and prophecy regarding George Miller. He “is without guile; he may be trusted...; I, the Lord, love him... Let no man despise my servant George, for he shall honor me.”

On December 3, 1848, George Miller was cast out by the Mormons. Apparently God was mistaken about Miller.

NAUVOO HOUSE WILL ALWAYS BE SMITH'S
Jan 19, 1841. D&C 124:56, 60. God orders the building of the Nauvoo House, a hotel, in which Joseph Smith and his “house” will have “place from generation to generation.”

Nauvoo House was never fully completed. Joseph Smith never lived in it; his widow Emma was living in it at her death, but his family have not owned or occupied it since then. It is owned by the Reorganized Church of LDS.

CITY OF ZARAHEMLA, IOWA
March 1841. D&C 125:1-4. Revelation directing the Mormons to build a city called Zarahemla in Iowa, across the river from Nauvoo.

No such city was ever built.

QUEENS WILL CONTRIBUTE
Apr 28, 1842. Joseph Smith prophesies about the newly-founded Relief Society: “before ten years... the queens of the earth shall come and pay their respects to this Society. They shall come with their millions and shall contribute of their abundance for the relief of the poor.” (Quinn p. 634)

By 1852 no queens of the earth had done anything resembling what Joseph Smith prophesied, nor have they done so since.

POWER TO DETECT FALSITY
April 28, 1842. Joseph Smith gives the sisters of the Relief Society “and the Elders” the keys of the kingdom “that they may be able to detect everything false.” (Quinn p. 634)

Apparently by the 1980s the Elders no longer had these keys, since they were unable to detect the forgeries foisted on them by Mark Hofmann, but rather esteemed him an authority on rare Mormon documents, paying him thousands of dollars for his forgeries. The church leaders learned of his deception from the secular authorities, when he was arrested for murders he had committed in furthering his schemes against the church. See any of several excellent accounts of this affair, e.g. Naifeh and Smith, The Mormon Murders, New York, 1988.

JOSEPH SMITH WILL TRIUMPH
September 1, 1842. D&C 127:2. Joseph Smith prophesies that he “shall triumph over all my enemies.”

His enemies murdered him less than two years after this prophecy.

JOSEPH SMITH IN PALESTINE
January 20, 1843. Joseph Smith prophesies to Orson Hyde that the two of them will drink wine together in Palestine. (JS MS Diary)

Joseph Smith never was in Palestine. (His drinking wine would have been a violation of the Word of Wisdom)

US GOVERNMENT WILL BE DESTROYED
May 18, 1843. HC 5:394, also Mill Star 22:455. Joseph Smith prophesies “by virtue of the holy priesthood... and in the name of the Lord” that if Congress or the United States will not redress the wrongs which the Mormons suffered in Missouri, and grant them protection, “the government will be utterly overthrown and wasted,” they shall be “broken up as a government” and there will be nothing left of them. (A similar prophecy was made Dec 16, 1843. See Quinn p 641, Chron JS 189)

The United States rejected the Mormons' petitions; their wrongs were not redressed; they were not protected from their enemies. The United States government was never overthrown and is still in existence.

JOSEPH SMITH WILL BE MADE RULER AND STRENGTHENED
July 12, 1843. D&C 132:53. “I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things... and from henceforth I will strengthen him.”

At the time of this prophecy Joseph Smith was at the height of his power. He was never a ruler over any more than at that time. In less than one year he was dead, not strengthened.

MORMONS WILL NO LONGER HAVE TO COOK
Feb 6, 1844. Joseph Smith prophesies that within five years the Mormons would be able to live without cooking their food. (Joseph Smith manuscript diary, omitted from the HC. Cited in Quinn, p. 642).

The Mormons are still cooking their food.

DAVID SMITH WILL BE PRESIDENT AND KING
April 1844. Joseph Smith prophesies that his unborn child will be called David, and will be “president and king of Israel.” (cited in Quinn p 644)

The child was called David. However, he was never “president and king of Israel.” He died in 1904, at the age of 60, having spent the last 27 years of his life in an insane asylum. He was a member of the Reorganized Church. His highest nominal position in that church was counselor to the president, (a thirty-year inmate of an insane asylum, the president's counsel? That was not strategically a wise move at ALL, whether he was 'cured' or not) but he never actually performed any duties as such, because of his mental condition.

MORMONS WILL TRIUMPH OVER ENEMIES
June 19, 1844. Mormon Neighbor. Joseph Smith warns others not to interfere in Mormon affairs, “for as sure as there is a God in Israel, we shall ride triumphant over all oppression.”

Within 10 days of this prophetic warning, Joseph Smith was killed by the mob, and within three years the Mormons had abandoned Nauvoo.

PROPHECY ABOUT W. W. PHELPS
Date unknown. Prophecy made to W. W. Phelps, cited in Stenhouse, Rocky Mountain Saints, p. 42, that Phelps would not taste of death till Jesus came.

W. W. Phelps died March 7, 1872, apparently before Jesus came.

JOSEPH SMITH WILL NEVER BE OVERTHROWN
August 27, 1843. HC 5:554. Joseph Smith announces in a sermon: “I (Joseph Smith) prophesy and bear record this morning that all the combined powers of earth and hell shall not and cannot ever overthrow or overcome this boy, for I have a promise from the eternal God. If I have sinned, I have sinned outwardly; but surely I have contemplated the things of God.”

Within a year Joseph Smith was killed, which would seem to qualify as overthrowing and overcoming.

A VAIN PROPHET WILL BE THROWN DOWN
This prophecy by Joseph Smith, although it was fulfilled quickly and literally, is rarely cited by Mormons. July 1828. D&C 3:4. “For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.”

On May 26, 1844, Joseph Smith made the following statement in a public sermon (Brodie p 374, HC 6:408-412): “Come on, ye persecutors! Ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! For I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”

At this time he was secretly married polygamously to over 40 women, some of them wives of men still living. Many who knew of these secret marriages accused him of changing the doctrine of the church to satisfy his own carnal desires, in violation of the Book of Mormon (Jacob 2:23-29, 3:5) and D&C 49:16. Almost exactly one month after this boast, on June 27, 1844, he was killed by his enemies in a gun battle at Carthage Jail.

Joseph Smith died not as a martyr, but in a gun battle in which he fired a number of shots. He was in jail at the time, under arrest for having ordered the destruction of a Nauvoo newspaper which dared to print an exposure (which was true) of his secret sexual liaisons. At that time he had announced his candidacy for the presidency of the United States, set up a secret government, and secretly had himself crowned “King of the Kingdom of God.”

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CONCLUSION

Summarized above are dozens of prophecies of Joseph Smith, which were not fulfilled. Mormons may object that some of them may still be fulfilled, for example, Jesus will yet come, the Far West temple will yet be built, New York will yet be destroyed, Salem will yet belong to the Mormons, etc. Yet many of the prophecies cannot be fulfilled: the dates for their fulfillment were given, and those dates have passed; the people whose deeds were prophesied have died without their performing those deeds.

Five prophecies fulfilled out of the sixty-five or so found recorded does not even measure up to Hyrum Smith's standard of a “hit one in ten times,” and is far short of the promise (and prophecy) in D&C 1:37 that “ALL” will be fulfilled.

Joseph Smith fails to pass the test of a true prophet, even by his own standards or those of his followers (e.g., Morris).

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
 


CULTS - Jehovah’s Witness Theology
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     In the late 1800's, a young man of 18 years, by the name of Charles Taze Russell, organized a Bible class in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. In 1879 he sought to popularize his ideas on doctrine so he co-published The Herald of the Morning magazine with its founder, N. H. Barbour and by 1884 Russell controlled the publication and renamed it The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom, and founded Zion’s Watchtower Tract Society (now known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). Russell served as the teacher and guide for the organization, which taught that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914 and is now reigning in heaven. When Jesus finally returns physically to earth, which will happen at the time of the Battle of Armageddon, He will set up his earthly 1,000-year kingdom. During this 1,000 year period, people will be resurrected and have a second chance to receive eternal salvation by following the principles of Jehovah’s Organization on earth known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. After the millennium, those who reject God and His organization will be annihilated; that is, they will cease to exist. The rest of the Jehovah’s Witness who have faithfully followed God’s organization on earth will be saved from eternal annihilation and reside forever on Paradise Earth. Heaven, however, is a place for a special group of 144,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses -- the only ones who are ‘born again’ and who alone are allowed to take communion in their annual communion service. These are the ones who have ‘immortal life;’ all other Witnesses have ‘everlasting life.’ Those with immortal life do not have resurrected bodies. They have ‘spirit bodies.’ Those on Paradise Earth have everlasting life, which consists of a resurrected body that must be maintained through eating, rest, etc.

     According to Jehovah’s Witness’ theology, God is a single person, not a Trinity, who does not know all things and is not everywhere. He first created Michael the Archangel through whom He created all ‘other things,’ including the universe, the earth, Adam and Eve, etc. This creative work took God 42,000 years. At one point, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society taught that God ruled the universe from somewhere in the Pleiades star system. They have since modified this to say that the “Pleiades can no longer be considered the center of the universe, and it would be unwise for us to try to fix God’s throne as being at a particular spot in the universe.” Such changes and even contradictions in teaching are frequent in the Watchtower organization and when a doctrine changes, they tell their followers that the light of truth is getting brighter.

     After Adam sinned, the paradise that God had created for them was ruined. So, God instituted a system of redemption, which was revealed in the Bible and would ultimately lead to the crucifixion of Jesus the Messiah. But in the meantime, God needed to have a visible, theocratic organization on earth to accurately represent Him. Throughout history, this true organization had a remnant of faithful Jehovah’s Witnesses (Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, etc.) but it wasn’t until the late 1800's that Charles Russell formerly began what is now known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, which is run out of Brooklyn, New York. This organization claims to be the only true channel of God’s truth on earth today and that it alone can properly interpret God’s word since it is the angel-directed prophet of God on earth.

     When it came time for the Savior to be born, Michael the Archangel became a human, in the form of Jesus. Jesus grew and kept all the laws of God and never sinned. Finally, when Jesus died, it was not on a cross, but on a torture stake, where he bore the sins of mankind -- but this did not include Adam’s sins. Jesus rose from the dead as a spirit, not physically (his body was dissolved and taken by God) and during his visitations to people on earth, he manifested a temporary physical body for them to see and touch. Thus began the true Christian church of Jehovah’s followers.

     Throughout history there have been faithful Jehovah’s witnesses who have managed to keep the truth in spite of the ‘demonic’ doctrine of Trinitarianism that has permeated the Christian church in ‘Christendom.’

     “From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah’s people those, who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, fault-finding attitude...They say that it is sufficient to read the Bible exclusively, either alone or in small groups at home. But, strangely, through such ‘Bible reading,’ they have reverted right back to the apostate doctrines that commentaries by Christendom’s clergy were teaching 100 years ago...” The Watchtower, August 15, 1981.

     What are the apostate doctrines of 100 years ago? Why, the Trinity of course. The Watchtower says that the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the physical resurrection of Christ are all false doctrines. Yet, the Watchtower says that if you read the Bible by itself you will end up believing these doctrines. In other words, if you read the Bible by itself, then you will become a Trinitarian, believe that Jesus is God, and believe that Jesus rose from the dead physically. Why is that? Could it be because the Bible teaches these things? So I ask Jehovah’s Witnesses, what is it in the Bible that would lead someone to this conclusion? Could this be why Jehovah’s Witnesses are told what the Bible says, and NOT encouraged to read it for themselves (like Catholics and Mormons)?

     In 1886 Russell began writing what is now known as the Studies in the Scriptures, a ‘sacred text.’ In comparing the reading of his book with the reading of the Bible, he said this : “Not only do we find that people cannot see the divine plan in studying the Bible by itself, but we see, also, that if anyone lays the Scripture Studies aside, even after he has used them, after he has became familiar with them, after he has read them for ten years - if he then lays them aside and ignores them and goes to the Bible alone, though he has understood his Bible for ten years, our experience shows that within two years he goes into darkness. On the other hand, if he had merely read the Scripture Studies with their references and had not read a page of the Bible as such, he would be in the light at the end of two years, because he would have the light of Scriptures.” - Charles Taze Russell (The Watchtower, September 15, 1910)

     You mean if he puts your book down and reads the Bible only, he leaves your beliefs entirely? Gee, I wonder why. Did you notice how he just said that his writing was far more important than the Bible?

     “Only this organization functions for Jehovah’s purpose and to his praise. To it alone God’s Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book.” (The Watchtower; July 1, 1973, pp. 402.)

     “Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible.” (The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967. p. 587.)

     “Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. We would not have discovered the truth regarding Jehovah, his purposes and attributes, the meaning and importance of his name, the Kingdom, Jesus’ ransom, the difference between God’s organization and Satan’s, nor why God has permitted wickedness.” (Watchtower 12/1/1990, pages 19)

     Christendom is filled with pastors who are anti-christs, in churches run by Satan, and who support the earthly governments, which are all of the devil. In other words, all of Christianity is false and only the Jehovah’s Witness ‘theocratic’ organization lead by several men in Brooklyn, New York, is true. Much like Mormonism, they want to be included in the Christian group, and they call themselves ‘Christians,’ yet claim that all Christian teaching is evil, and they alone have ‘been called to restore the one true church to the world.’

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Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
 


CULTS - Jehovah’s Witness Bible : N W T
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The Jehovah’s Witness Bible : New World Translation (N T W)

What’s an organization to do when its teachings and practices are contradicted by the Bible? Why, you publish your very own version of the Bible. That is precisely what the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society did. In 1961, it published The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (N. W. T.).

The New World Translation - N. W. T. (intro)

New Testament, 1950. Frederick W. Franz, ed., New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures Rendered from the Original Language by the New World Translation Committee. Brooklyn Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1950.

The Bible, 1961. Frederick W. Franz, ed., The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures, rendered from the Original Languages by the New World Bible Translation Committee. Revised A.D. 1961. Brooklyn Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, 1961. The Old Testament was originally published in parts from 1953 to 1960. The whole was revised for the one-volume edition in 1961, and subsequently revised in 1970 and 1984.

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If you notice the very significant Watchtower quote below, they do not claim the translators knew Greek and Hebrew, only that they were “experienced” and “anointed.” By experienced, they mean that they had been J W’s for a long time and would tow the party line. By “anointed” they mean inspired by the Holy Spirit.

“A translation committee of experienced anointed Christians was organized to produce the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures in English.” (Watchtower, October 15, 1997 - How the Bible Came to Us, p 11-12) Mr. Franz was asked to explain how “translations and interpretations of the Bible were made.” Franz replied that they “passed to the Holy Spirit who, invisible, communicates with Jehovah’s Witnesses - and the publicity department.” (Franz is the head of the Publicity Department).

The Organization made this statement about the N. W. T.: “It is the truth rather than its servant that should be honored and proclaimed.” Russell wrote in 1900, “There is too much disposition to credit truth to the preacher, forgetful that all truth is of God, who uses one or another servant in its proclamation as it may please him.” This is the principal reason why writers and translators of Watchtower publications, as well as members of the New World Bible Translation Committee, choose to remain anonymous. (Awake, Oct 22, 1989, p. 20)
(In English, it is the message that is important, not the messenger. We won’t tell you who wrote it. It came from God, trust us.)

During a court trial in Glasgow, Scotland in 1954, Franz was asked by the Government lawyer just who the translators were. Franz replied under oath: “That is an absolute secret. It will never be revealed now or even after death.”

The publisher of this version has never made public the names of the translators. But former members of the Governing Body of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization have identified the members of the committee as Nathan H. Knorr (President of the organization), Frederick W. Franz (Vice-President), George D. Gangas, and Albert D. Schroeder. According to Raymond V. Franz, the “principal translator of the Society’s New World Translation” was Frederick W. Franz. According to M. James Penton, “to all intents and purposes the New World Translation is the work of one man, Frederick Franz.” Franz afterwards became the President of the organization, from 1977 to 1992, and was responsible for the revisions.

“Fred Franz however, was the only one with sufficient knowledge of the Bible languages to attempt translation of this kind. He had studied Greek for two years in the University of Cincinnati but was only self-taught in Hebrew.” (“Crisis of Conscience” by Raymond Franz (40-year member of the J W’s and nephew of Fred); Commentary Press, Atlanta; 1983)

Four out of the five men on the committee had no Hebrew or Greek training at all. They had only a high school education. Franz studied Greek for two years at the University of Cincinnati, but dropped out after his sophomore year. When asked in a Scotland courtroom if he could translate Genesis 2 : 4 into Hebrew, Franz replied that he could not. The truth is that Franz was unable to translate Hebrew or Greek. What we are left with is a very inexperienced translating committee that twisted Scripture to make it fit the Society’s doctrine.

The N. W. T. is so extremely biased & perverted, it is obvious that it is not a translation. The Jehovah’s Witnesses merely removed all the parts of God’s Word they didn’t like! It is nothing more than a sectarian paraphrase, not a translation. No one uses the N. W. T. except Jehovah’s Witnesses. J W’s, on the other hand, will use nothing else! The reason is obvious :


THEY WROTE THEIR OWN BIBLE.

Let’s look at their ‘Bible.’

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Gen. 1 : 1-2. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.”
The ruach elohim (“Spirit of God”) of the Hebrew is interpreted “God’s active force” in order to avoid the Trinitarian understanding of the “Spirit.” (DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD.)

“And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.”
(An example of the evolution Bible which denies that God created the world in 6 literal days, around 6,000 years ago; not unique to J W’s, but still an improper translation of the Holy Word)

Zech. 12 : 10. “...They will look upon the one whom they have pierced...”
Here the Hebrew “look upon Me whom they have pierced,” in which God is the speaker, has been altered in order to avoid the implication that the one who is to be pierced (on the cross) is God. (DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.)

John 1 : 1. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”
Instead of the literal “the Word was God,” we have “a god,” which the sect interprets as “an angelic being.” (DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.)

John 8 : 56-58 “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing My day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to Him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I shall prove to be!
(Changed from “I am!” the recognized Name of God as given to Moses. “I AM has sent you.” Exodus 3 : 14) (DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.)

Colo. 1 : 15-17. “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all OTHER things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All OTHER things have been created through him and for him. Also, he is before all OTHER things and by means of him all other things were made to exist.”
Because the sect teaches that Christ was a created being rather than eternal God, the word “OTHER” is inserted several times. (DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS CREATOR GOD.)

Heb. 1 : 8. “God is your throne forever.” (a nonsensical statement) is put instead of “your throne, O God, is forever,” because this statement refers to Christ. (DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.)

That is only a very few of the hundreds of improper translations in the N. W. T..

The New Testament does have some peculiar non-literal renderings. These are the result of the committee’s efforts to conform the version to the doctrines of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. “Jehovah” is given as a translation for Kurios (Lord) in the New Testament whenever the Father is meant, but NOT when it refers to Christ, the Son. This is the most widespread change in the Watchtower Bible : The insertion of the name JEHOVAH 237 times in the New Testament. Of course, it is appropriate for a translator to choose to use the divine name JEHOVAH or YAHWEH in the Old Testament where the Tetragrammator YHWH actually appears in the Hebrew text. However, the Watchtower has gone beyond this by inserting the name JEHOVAH in the New Testament, where it does not appear in Greek manuscripts. One need only look at the word-by-word English that appears under the Greek text in the Society’s own Kingdom Interlinear Translation to see that the name JEHOVAH is not there in the Greek. (DENY THAT JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.)

David Reed, an ex-Witness, says in his book, “Jehovah’s Witnesses Answered Verse by Verse” that basically the New World Translation came into being for the sole purpose of supporting Watchtower doctrines showing their own bias (pgs. 17-18). Reed says, “So, during the 1950's, Watchtower leaders went beyond interpretation by producing their own version of the Bible, with hundreds of verses changed to fit Watchtower doctrine. And, their New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures continues to be rewritten every few years, with additional changes made to bring God’s Word into closer agreement with what the organization teaches.”

“Their New World Translation is by no means an objective rendering of the sacred text into modern English, but is a biased translation in which many of the peculiar teachings of the Watchtower Society are smuggled into the text of the Bible itself” (Anthony Hoekema, “The Four Major Cults” pgs 238,239). Greek scholar, Dr. Robert Countess wrote a well-documented and thorough critical analysis of their New World Translation in which he concluded, “It must be viewed as a radically biased piece of work. At some points it is actually dishonest. At others it is neither modern nor scholarly” (The Jehovah’s Witnesses’ New Testament, p. 93).

What leading Greek scholars say about the N. W. T. :

British scholar H.H. Rowley stated, “From beginning to end this volume is a shining example of how the Bible should NOT be translated.”

Dr. Bruce M. Metzger, a professor of New Testament Language and Literature at Princeton University, calls the N. W. T. ‘a frightful mis-translation, erroneous and pernicious, reprehensible.’ “If the Jehovah’s Witnesses take this translation seriously, they are polytheists.”

Dr. William Barclay, a leading Greek scholar, said, “It is abundantly clear that a sect which can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest.”

Dr. Julius Mantey, author of “A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament,” calls the N. W. T. ‘a shocking mis-translation, obsolete and incorrect.’ “It is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1 : 1 ‘The Word was a god.’ As a backdrop, I was disturbed because they (Watchtower) had misquoted me in support of their translation.” (These words were excerpted from the tape, “Martin and Julius Mantey on The New World Translation,” Mantey is quoted on pages 1158-1159 of the Kingdom interlinear Translation) “I have never read any New Testament so badly translated as The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of The Greek Scriptures... it is a distortion of the New Testament. The translators used what J. B. Rotherham had translated in 1893 in modern speech, and changed the readings in scores of passages to state what Jehovah’s Witnesses believe and teach. That is a distortion not a translation. The translators of the N. W. T. are ‘diabolical deceivers.’”

For the True Child of God, the real Born-Again Christians, the most important question is a simple one : “Can you back that up with Scripture?” It does not take a rocket scientist or a college grad to research a book and see where it came from and who put it together. Would you let me remove your appendix? Why not? I know what doctors look and sound like, and I have seen them before. No, you would definitely want someone professionally trained to do the operation. Do you want to jump out of an airplane at 10,000 feet with some THING on your back? No, you want to be sure you are wearing a parachute. Well, what does the Word of God deal with? Eternity, life, death, hell, peace, forgiveness. Who do you want to deliver God’s Word to you? Bible scholars, theologians, those whose life is devoted to God and His Word, which by the way, began in Latin, Greek and Hebrew.

Jehovah’s Witnesses removed the verses of the Bible they didn’t like. Fred couldn’t even speak Latin, Hebrew or Greek, and he was the primary ‘translator.’ Mormons don’t read the Bible at all, they wrote their own completely different fairy tale book. Instead of re-writing the Bible, they say, “It is the Word of God only inasmuch as it was translated correctly.” In other words, if I don’t like what it says, I’ll just say, “Oh, that part’s wrong.” Catholics are taught that only the church can decipher the Word of God; the individual couldn’t possibly understand it. They contradict many doctrinal  concepts in the Word of God, as well as adding many of their own books to it. They think the priest can forgive sins; you must pray to Mary, you can earn salvation, on and on and on... (Can you back ANY of that up with Scripture? No you cannot.

It is not what we say. My church did not write my Bible. If you don’t like my NIV, I’ll get the NAS, or the NLT, or the King James, or the New King James. They all have three things in common : They were all written (compiled) by theologians and Bible scholars who are fluent in Greek, Latin, and Aramaic (Hebrew); They were not written by my church, or any church; and they all agree with each other on all the key doctrines (that Jesus Christ is God the Son, second Person in the Trinity).

It’s your life. It will last for ever and ever. Look very closely at what is on your back before you jump from the plane. You will have forever to regret it if you find out you’re wearing a back pack.

Can I back that up with Scripture? YES I CAN.
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Dear Lord Jesus,
I have been told that You died on the cross 2,000 years ago to pay for sins, and rose three days later. I have been told that You died to pay for my sins. I may not understand that, but I want to believe it. I accept You as my Savior and Lord. Please wash away my sins with your perfect blood, and come into my heart. I give my life to You, and ask You to guide and guard me forever. Please help me to find the version of Your Word that represents You accurately, and can teach me the best. I pray that You lead me as I grow in knowledge of Your will and Your Word, and I pray in the Name of My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
A M E N

What Bible version is the best?
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What Bible Version is the best to use?
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When the bible was first being written in New Testament times, shortly after the death and resurrection of Christ, people started writing the New Testament books. Now back in those days 2,000 years ago, they didn’t have printing presses or xerox machines; you couldn’t just go make copies. If you wanted a copy of something, you would have to hand-write it. The printing press was not invented until the 1500’s, nearly 500 years ago. So they would hand-write copies. When they wanted to make copies of the Bible they would unroll the scroll, sit there all day and make copies, and then at the end of the day roll the scroll back up. Well, you can only roll and unroll a scroll so many times before it begins to wear out. After a few hundred years, the scroll is worn out, and now you have copies that have been made. The people who did this were called ‘scribes,’ where we get our word inscribe (to write). They were the scribes and their job was to copy this text. Now back then if they found a mistake in your copy that could not be easily corrected, the whole manuscript would be discarded. They wouldn’t buy a copy of the Bible if there were a mistake in it. It would be thrown away. It may take three months to write out a copy of the Bible, and they had to make sure it was right. They would check it several different ways. They would count the letters; they would read it backwards, there were many different ways they used to check it. The point is that they were extremely accurate in their copying procedure. The copies would be certified as correct and they would then be released into circulation as legitimate certified Bibles.

A few hundred years after the birth of Christ, a group of people went down to Egypt and started a cult, much like the Jehovah’s Witnesses today. They wanted everybody to think they were Christians, and they wanted to claim to be Christians, but they did not believe most of the major doctrines of Christianity. They didn’t believe in the Deity of Christ, for instance. So these people in Alexandria, Egypt (a major city at that time) became known as the Alexandrians. They made their own translation of the Bible, changing all sorts of things, and leaving out verses they didn’t like. Now if you’re going to make a counterfeit $20.00 bill, you don’t put Mickey Mouse’s picture on it, you try to make it as close as possible to the original. The counterfeit copy they made became known as the ‘Alexandrian Manuscript.’ It had a lot of Gospel in it. You could still get saved reading it. However, in many cases when it says, ‘the Lord Jesus Christ,’ they would just say, ‘Jesus.’ They wanted to minimize the idea that Jesus is Lord, so they would leave things out.
The Alexandrian copy of their Bible spread for a few years while their cult lasted, then it died out. By this time several copies of the Alexandrian manuscripts had been made.

Meanwhile, the ‘received text,’ the real one, is being copied over and over and over again, and time is passing, and the originals keep getting worn out every few hundred years, but by then you have hundreds and hundreds of copies. These copies are spreading out all around the world. This body of manuscripts, the Byzantine Greek text by Stephanus, came to be known as the ‘Textus Receptus,’ which means ‘the received text.’

Now around the 1400’s, people started trying to translate the Bible into English. They gathered up all these copies of Scripture from many different places and discovered that there were no differences between them, other than minor spelling changes (Peter to Pedro... names of cities, names were the primary alterations). This proved that they had been copied correctly, and had been accurately preserved for over 1,000 years. As they spread out around the world and had no contact with each other, they were still doing it right.
They gathered together over 5,000 copies of these manuscripts known as the ‘Textus Receptus’ and they translated the Bible into English. By 1611 they had the King James Version of the Bible.

Then around 1800, someone found some Alexandrian manuscripts. They tested them and said, “Wow, these are older.” Yes, they were. “Therefore they are better.” No, they were not. That was a mistake. Nobody had been using the older manuscripts because they were frauds, just like the Jehovah’s Witness Bible. Now the other versions had been used time and time again, so they were being worn out and recopied, so the oldest version they had at the time of King James was about 800 years old. Along comes the Dead Sea scrolls, and they examined them and discovered that they matched the ‘Textus Receptus.’ (The Isaiah scroll was 1,000 years older than any existing Isaiah manuscript.) The Dead Sea Scrolls did NOT match the Alexandrian manuscripts.

Regardless, some people said, “We have this Alexandrian manuscript. It is the oldest surviving text, it must be the best.” Then you have people like Westcott and Hort involved, who wanted to pervert the Word of God, and they made the Westcott & Hort version of The Bible (based on the Alexandrian manuscripts), and from that most of the newer translations of the Bible have come; NIV, NAS, etc.

Most of the newer Bibles are GOOD translations... of the Alexandrian manuscript. The people who did it are smart people, probably well intentioned, but they’re translating the wrong manuscript. It’s like somebody doing a good translation of Playboy Magazine into French. Yes, they may do a good translation, but they are translating a bad text. The most accurate version of the Bible to be reading today is a version of King James, which is based upon the Textus Receptus.
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There are a few key things to check in your Bible to see if you have a good book in your hands or not. If any of these verses prove to be false, you should be concerned with the version you have, and consider getting rid of it.

Genesis 1 : 1-5 - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning – the first day.

Please note that the Spirit of God moved over the waters. He did this because HE is the third Person in the Trinity. The Holy Spirit is a real, live Being. Note that the verses conclude the first day. That means The FIRST DAY. Bad manuscripts will say ‘a day’ or a footnote will say ‘a period of time.’ This tries to put evolution into God’s Word, and deny what is so clearly written that a child can understand it; God created in SIX real days, and rested on the seventh.

John 1 : 1-2 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Jesus Christ is God the Son. Other books may say, ‘the Word was A god,’ or something else. Do not be confused; God’s Word says that Jesus IS God. If that book in your hand disagrees, it is NOT God’s Word. It won’t do you any good.

John 8 : 56-58 “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing My day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to Him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I Am!” (the recognized (by the Jews) Name of God as given to Moses. “I AM has sent you.” Exodus 3 : 14)

Some vile books, such as the false book of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, written by them, (NWT) have changed this to read, “…before Abraham was born, I shall prove to be!” They refuse to believe that Jesus Christ is God, just like the Pharisees.

Here is a test for you. Check the Genesis account of Noah building the ark. The King James Version has God say, “Come into the ark.” The NIV says, “Go into the ark.” I don’t believe that NIV has any serious doctrinal issues; as mentioned before, you can be saved reading it. I was; it has been my Bible since 1991. (All of my memory verses are based on NIV!) I do, however, have a King James Bible as well that I reference things with. Sometimes it is a good idea to cross-reference to see the differences between versions on certain verses. I strongly suggest you get one for cross-reference, unless you don’t have years of foundation in NIV or NAS. In that case, try the New King James, which I think has far less of the, ‘verily verily I saith unto thee, and thou, and all the other famous language that King James is known for.

Dear Lord Jesus,
I have been told that You died on the cross 2,000 years ago to pay for sins, and rose three days later. I have been told that You died to pay for my sins. I may not understand that, but I want to believe it. I accept You as my Savior and Lord. Please wash away my sins with your perfect blood, and come into my heart. I give my life to You, and ask You to guide and guard me forever. Please help me to find the version of Your Word that represents You accurately, and can teach me the best. I pray that You lead me as I grow in knowledge of Your will and Your Word, and I pray in the Name of My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
A M E N

Age Of The Earth
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The Age of the Earth

     How old is the Earth? Can anybody really know for sure? Are there any accurate books on the subject? Yes, there is. There is one. Let's look at the evidence that shows us clearly the age of the earth.

     First of all, how important is the book of Genesis? It is very important, because that is where everything starts. When we look in Genesis, we see IN THE BEGINNING, and that is where this journey must start.

     Satan hates the first chapters of Genesis, in particular, Genesis 1 - 11, because here is where you see his beginning, his limits, his evil, and his doom foretold. Evolutionists also hate the first 11 chapters of Genesis because they describe in specific detail the beginning of the world, and the Word contradicts the entire concept of evolution. So it is important to first set the book of Genesis right where it belongs, as the FIRST STEP in our search for truth and origin.

IN THE BEGINNING...

     There are many different Hebrew words to describe periods of time. The Hebrew word used for 'days' is used throughout the Bible in reference to DAYS. Nowhere will God define a word to mean one thing here, and a completely different thing somewhere else. The Hebrew word for 'days' is THE WORD FOR DAYS.

     When Moses, under the inspiration of God, compiled the account of creation in Genesis 1, he used the Hebrew word yôm for 'day'. He combined yôm with numbers ('first day', 'second day', 'third day', etc.) and with the words 'evening and morning', and the first time he employed it he carefully defined the meaning of yôm (used in this way) as being one night/day cycle (Genesis 1:5). Thereafter, throughout the Bible, yôm used in this way always refers to a normal 24–hour day. There is therefore a rule that, when God used the word yôm in this way, He intended to convey that the days of creation were 24 hours long.

     The word 'days' used here is the word days used in every book in the Bible, WHEN it is speaking about A DAY. The word is used with Joshua... with David... with Jonah... with Jesus... days means days.

     Some scoffers like to say, ‘Well, a day is like a thousand years...’ Yeah... and? go on... ‘and a thousand years is like a day.’ For those of you who comprehend Basic Math, this cancels itself out! Think like this: You have zero, ok? Now, watch close ; plus one minus one. What do you have? Plus 10 minus 10... plus 1,000 minus 1,000. The New Testament does not offer a definition of time. That is, you cannot take New Testament words to define Old Testament writings. The writer was merely stating that time has no meaning to God. He created it, why would He be concerned about it?

     Do you still think that a day to us is really like a thousand years? Ok, what about Joshua? The Bible tells us that he lived to be 110 years old. Now that is truly odd, since by your definition he marched around the walls of Jericho FOR SEVEN THOUSAND YEARS. What about Jonah? During the Genesis time period, the Lord said that man would not live as long as Adam and his sons did anymore. So Jonah, who did not live to be 900, was in the belly of a whale for THREE THOUSAND YEARS? Talk about indigestion. And Jesus? Over and over and over again He said straight out, “We are going to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be arrested, beaten and killed and rise on the 3rd day.” So Jesus, who was here 2,000 years ago, who died and was seen by hundreds of people THREE DAYS LATER must still be in the tomb, and has about a thousand years to go before He can rise? The word 'day' is used in the Bible over 1,400 times. Why is its meaning never questioned ANYWHERE except in Genesis chapter one?

DAYS MEANS DAYS.

‘Why did God take so long? Why as long as six days?’ The answer is given in Exodus 20:11, and that answer is the basis of the fourth commandment:

     “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and sanctified it.”

     The seven-day week has no basis outside of Scripture. In this Old Testament passage, God commands His people, Israel, to work for six days and rest for one - that is why He deliberately took as long as six days to create everything. He set the example for man. Our week is patterned after this principle. Now if He created everything in six thousand, or six million years, followed by a rest of one thousand or one million years, then we would have a very interesting week indeed!

     Nowhere in Earth's history can you explain the creation of the seven-day week. It came from Genesis, and the book of Genesis shapes our very world. What else is found in Genesis, that cannot be found (explained) anywhere else?

     Clothing. Marriage. Sin. Death. (no particular order there, that was TOTALLY accidental) Sacrifice. Man is head of the house; woman helps, NOT rules. Man dominates the world, all creatures are subject to man. (The plan God had for man to rule and woman to be his helper is NOT at all what you see in this world today. That is why women cringe at that thought, and they should! It's wrong! What the world has done to that concept is so wrong. The word 'dominate', as defined by TODAY'S SOCIETY, is not the way God intended it. He intended, NOT a 99% - 1% I AM YOUR MASTER relationship, but a 51% - 49% 'you are my helper and God says Man is the head of the house' relationship. Man dominates the world - yes. Man dominates WOMAN - by the same definition - ABSOLUTELY NOT!)

     Creation Science Evangelist Ken Ham went to a famous battle sight in Belgium, where Napolean had been. He read the monuments, “...he pitched his tents here... he took his horses and went there...” Ken looked at his friend and said, “What do you suppose they mean?” “Huh?” “What do you suppose they mean?” His friend said, “I think they meant what they said, '...he took his men over here and put up tents'!” “Yeah, ok," Ken said, "but what did they REALLY mean? What do you think they meant when they said, ...'he marched'?” (His friend was now looking at him like he had two heads) “Umm, I think they REALLY meant what they said! HELLO!! They took their men and marched!”

     The Word of God says that, ...“ALL Scripture is God-Breathed, and is useful for instruction...” God created language, motivated His people to record history, and then told them what to write. GOD SAID He created the world in six days. They wrote what He said. They BELIEVED what He said. What do you suppose He meant? What do you suppose HE REALLY MEANT? We think He REALLY MEANT what He said.

     Taking Genesis chapter 1 in this way, at face value, without doubt it seems to say that God created the universe, the earth, the sun, moon and stars, plants and animals, and the first two people, within six ordinary (approximately 24 hour) days. Being really honest, one would have to admit that you could never get the idea of millions of years from reading this passage.

     Children have no problem in understanding the meaning of Genesis. Why is that? They take it at face value. The only reason why other ideas are entertained is because people apply concepts from outside the Bible, mainly from evolutionary/atheistic sources, to interpret the Bible.

     What did Jesus believe? “But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.” (Mark 10:6). In these words of Jesus we find He teaches that Adam and Eve were created in ‘the beginning of the creation’ - not billions of years after the beginning! Jesus quoted from Genesis many times, showing that He took the Genesis writings at face value as accurate writings of history and the word and will of God.

     So this is the unavoidable first conclusion : “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.”

     The idea of millions of years came from the belief that the fossil record was built up over a long time. As soon as people allow for millions of years, they allow for the fossil record to be millions of years old. This creates an insurmountable problem regarding the gospel. The fossil record consists of the death of billions of creatures. Many fossils clearly show death consistent with sudden, catastrophic burial, supporting the Bible's account of a worldwide flood, which was only about 4,400 years ago. (Why did God flood the world, instead of saying, ‘Everyone but Noah's clan, DROP DEAD!’? So there would be world-wide proof of what He did, proof we can openly and easily discuss 4,000 years later.) In fact, the fossil record is a record of death, disease, suffering, cruelty, and brutality. It is a very ugly record.

     Clearly, fossils exist. Clearly dinasaurs existed. Clearly, man existed WITH dinasaurs, NOT after them. When evolutionists realized that they failed in proving the world millions of years old after Adam, they tried to insert their '60 million years' BEFORE Adam. The problems remain; some new ones even come up.

     God said ...In the beginning... that would be at the start. Adam was created within the first six days of the existance of the planet, and the history clearly shows that this did not happen millions of years ago.

     Could fossils have come before Adam? NO. Scripture teaches that Adam sinned, and BROUGHT DEATH INTO THE WORLD. Before Adam, NO DEATH. As if that wasn't enough, look at what else God said.

     God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning – the sixth day. Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. (Genesis 1-2)

     How does this 'pre-Adam' world exist, when God said He did it in six days, and just shortly after the creation of the world AND of Adam, ...."and it was very good." ?

     Starting with the 'big bang', "progressive creationists" and/or evolutionists weave a tale that pictures God using billions of years to create the universe and develop new varieties of animals. Instead of forming a paradise planet for them, He inexplicably makes a world full of fuming, exploding volcanoes, exploding stars, and horrific impacts from asteroids and meteorites which sometimes wipe out whole populations. Rather than being peaceful vegetarians, the animals aggressively seek out and kill other living flesh for food. Before man's creation, earth's animal world is subjected to violent earthquakes, lethal floods, deadly hurricanes, massive extinctions, vicious predators, and pestilence.

     In this 'progressive creation' view, the Creator does not choose to make this brutal and sickening scene as short as possible; rather, it is supposedly extended for millions or even billions of years prior to man's creation. One might rightly wonder, for what purpose is all of this?

     Science has proved only one point flawlessly : Lifelessness can NEVER turn itself into life. There must be order, there must be a system of information, and then it must be assembled. The next time you walk inside a stone building, look around and say, "Wow! What a great place! This MUST be the result of an explosion in a brick factory!" Pretty stupid, huh? Someone had to put it together. Or, if you put a frog in a blender (please, just read this, DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME, KIDS!) every single system and speck of matter needed for life is there. How long will it be before the frog lives again? Why does he not live? Everything is there! Did you know that there are over six million parts in an airplane? Did you know not a single one of those pieces can fly? OBVIOUSLY, although everything needed for flight is there, they MUST BE assembled by an Intelligence, they do not come together on their own.

     Life is a system. It needs someone to put together all the programs. They do not just BECOME. The obvious undeniable conclusion is THERE IS A CREATOR, and there is a tracable, knowable beginning.

     The Bible teaches that we alone of all the creatures can have that personal relationship with God. So it seems to have no logical purpose for Him to ordain billions of years with only rocks, algae, fish and even mammals, with whom He could have no spiritual communication. Surely the true view of God is that He created us ‘for Himself.’ If we were created after billions of years of other creative activity, this would send a strong message to us that mankind is really nothing special, not the focus of God’s loving intentions. Would He die for us, then? Would YOU?

     The more you look at the speed with which God brought us into existence, the more it suggests that His original intention was to bring into being a race He could love and cherish. He knew that we would rebel against His authority, yet He had already planned to demonstrate His love in Christ in taking, for those who will repent and believe, the deserved punishment for their rebellion.

You have two points here. One is right, period. The other is wrong, period.

God created in six days, about 6,000 years ago.

The world is 60 million years old.

So how old is the earth?

     Adam lived 130 years and then had a son named Seth. Seth lived 105 years and had a son named Enosh. Enosh lived 90 years and had a son named Kenan. Kenan lived 70 years and had a son named Mahalalel. Mahalalel lived 65 years and had a son named Jarod. If you follow this genealogy, you will NEVER even begin to think about millions of years. You will trace the age of the earth to less than 10,000 years.

     The Hebrews were absolutely flawless with their 'family tree' for a number of reasons. God wanted to provide us with historical proof of the age of the earth, as well as show beyond the shadow of a doubt the fulfillment of His promise, through the bloodline of a particular man, a Ruler would arise. The line of Abraham, to David, to Mary had to be accurately preserved. (the Hebrew bloodline is accurate, but they, thinking in terms of men, followed the wrong men from David. They traced a bloodline (accurately) from David to Joseph, husband of Mary. He may have been the desendant of the House of David, but he was the wrong one to look at, because he had NO PART in Jesus Christ. The correct line was from David to MARY, who was ALSO of the family of David, Tribe of Judah.)

     Also, the attack on God and His Word and His plan began IN THE GARDEN. It was NOT started by Darwin. It is easy to say that the family tree is wrong if John's father was named Bill. Lots of guys named John have fathers named Bill. But if you KNOW FOR A FACT that John was son of Bill, son of David, son of Fred, son of Tom, son of Ted, son of Joe... (isn't English so much easier than Hebrew?) and at this time, men were living to be well over 100 years old. If you doubt, you can just come home with me and talk to my great-great-great-great grandfather. He's coming over tonight for dinner! The geneology could not be disputed, although people tried. The Hebrew family tree stands, and we can, therefore, add up the years of their lives and calcuate the age of the earth.

Listen to what these two very well-known men had to say :

     “We are invited, brethren, most earnestly to go away from the old-fashioned belief of our forefathers because of the supposed discoveries of science. What is science? The method by which man tries to conceal his ignorance. It should not be so, but so it is. You are not to be dogmatical (dogmatic - something held as an established position, or holding what you know as being 'carved in stone' fact and truth) in theology, my brethren, it is wicked; but for scientific men it is the correct thing. You are never to assert anything very strongly; but scientists may boldly assert what they cannot prove, and may demand a faith far more credulous than any we possess. Forsooth, you and I are to take our Bibles and shape and mould our belief according to the ever-shifting teachings of so-called scientific men. What folly is this! Why, the march of science, falsely so-called, through the world may be traced by exploded fallacies and abandoned theories. Former explorers once adored are now ridiculed; the continual wreckings of false hypotheses is a matter of universal notoriety.” (Charles Haddon Spurgeon 1877)

     “When Moses writes that God created Heaven and Earth and whatever is in them in six days, then let this period continue to have been six days, and do not venture to devise any comment according to which six days were one day. But, if you cannot understand how this could have been done in six days, then grant the Holy Spirit the honor of being more learned than you are. For you are to deal with Scripture in such a way that you bear in mind that God Himself says what is written. But since God is speaking, it is not fitting for you wantonly to turn His Word in the direction you wish to go.” (Martin Luther - he was trying to convince the leaders of the church at that time that the Lord did not create the world in ONE DAY.)

CONCLUSION :

     In Genesis 1, God, through the 'pen' of Moses, is going out of His way to tell us that the 'days' of creation were literal earth–rotation days. To do this, He used the Hebrew word yôm, combined with a number and the words 'evening and morning'. If God had wanted to tell us it was an ancient creation, then there were several good ways He could have done this. If theistic evolution had been intended, then there were several (text) constructions He could have used. If the time factor had been meant to be ambiguous, then the Hebrew language had ways of saying this. However, God chose not to use any construction which would have communicated a meaning other than a literal solar day.

     The only meaning which is possible from the Hebrew words used is that the 'days' of creation were 24–hour days. God could not have communicated this meaning more clearly than He did in Genesis 1. The divine confirmation of this, if any is needed, is Exodus 20:9-11, where the same word 'days' is used throughout:

     “Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, not thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.”

IN THE BEGINNING, GOD CREATED...
and this was about 6,000 years ago.

     If you want to begin a relationship with Jesus Christ, He will begin one with you. You will have a much greater understanding of His Word when you are actually walking with Him. Jesus said, “If you are not with Me, you are against Me.” If you are against Him, He will not be blessing you with insight into His Word.

     He died for you and me. He rose again, THREE DAYS LATER, for you and me. He wants to have an intimate, daily, close, personal relationship with you starting RIGHT NOW. This is how to start the relationship: (Ask, and you will receive)

Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to SEE what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.


What are my choices for Eternity?
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The Choices
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“You can have your Jesus... and they can go to hell... me, I'll just sleep... I don't want or need either one, so count me out.”

That's your thought, huh? That is your decision? I'm sorry to tell you, you do not have that option. You do have the freedom of choice, free will, but that is not one of your choices. There are a number of choices you can make. Let's look at that number... and the true options.

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This was written as a joke by somebody; it was supposed to be funny. It is not, however, a joke; it is a reality :

There was a large group of people. On one side of the group stood Jesus. On the other side of the group stood Satan. Separating them, running through the group, was a fence.

The scene set, both Jesus and Satan began calling to the people in the group and, one by one - each having made up his or her own mind - each went to either Jesus or Satan.

This kept going. Soon enough, Jesus had gathered around Him a group of people from the larger crowd, as did Satan. But one man joined neither group. He climbed the fence that was there and sat on it. Then Jesus and his people left and disappeared. So too did Satan and his people. And the man on the fence sat alone.

As this man sat, Satan came back, looking for something which he appeared to have lost. The man said, “Have you lost something?” Satan looked straight at him and replied, “No, there you are. Come with me.”

“But,” said the man, “I sat on the fence. I chose neither you nor him.”

“That's okay,” said Satan. “I own the fence.”
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These are the words of the amen, the Faithful and True Witness, THE RULER OF GOD'S CREATION. “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm - neither hot nor cold - I am about to spit you out of my mouth.” (Revel. 3:14-16) + HOT or COLD... two choices.

“He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me, scatters.” (Matt. 12:30) + WITH or AGAINST... two choices.

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” (Matt. 7:13-14) + NARROW (life) or BROAD (destruction/death)... two choices.

“Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” (Matt. 7:17-19) + GOOD (not cut down) or BAD (cut down)... LIVE or DIE... two choices.

“Therefore, everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” (Matt. 7:24-27) + WISE or FOOLISH... two choices.

“The kingdom of Heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?' 'An enemy did this,' he replied. The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?' 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: 'First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles TO BE BURNED; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.'” (Matt. 13:24-30) + WHEAT (brought in) or WEED (burned)... two choices.

“Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous, and throw them into the fiery furnace...” (Matt. 13:47-50) + GOOD (kept) or BAD (thrown away)... two choices.

Jesus replied, “Every plant that My heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots.” (Matt. 15:13) + PULLED UP or NOT... two choices.

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people, one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on His left. Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed by My Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world...'
Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire...' Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”(Matt. 25:31) + LIFE (forever) or DEATH (forever)... two choices.

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We seem to have a recurring theme here... there are TWO choices, only two. You choose Jesus Christ, and live, or you die. There is just no getting around it. You choose to worship God, or reject Him. You choose to enter Heaven, through the free gift of the blood of Jesus Christ, or you choose to spend eternity in Hell, apart from God. Choose Jesus, please.

It is so easy.

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. For EVERYONE who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.” (Matt. 7:7-8)

Ask Him in, please. Choose to live; it IS as easy as that.

HERE I AM! I stand at the door (of your heart) and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in. (Revelation 3:20)

Dear Jesus,
I know that you died for me... I know that you rose 3 days later and are alive still. I may not understand it, but I believe it. Please help me to see what you want me to see. I know I need you in my heart, and my life. Please come in to me, forgive me of my sins, and wash me. Give me Your Free Gift of eternal life, and show me how you want me to live. I want to turn from this empty life, and live for you, and with you, forever. Thank you God, for saving me, through the blood of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
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But I think I will just wait until I get there; then I'll choose. If I can't... Oh Well.

That is not a really good idea, either. Watch what happens :

“There was a rich man who was dressed fine and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell,  where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I AM IN AGONOY IN THIS FIRE.’ But Abraham said, ‘...between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you CANNOT, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham replied, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” (Luke 16 : 19-31)

What does this teach us? First, it is not a parable, it is an open window into hell, for real. How do we know?

Name somebody in a parable... The sower? (no names)... the tenants? (no names)... the Good Samaritan? (no names)... the rich fool? (no names)... the woman mixing yeast? (no names)... the man buying the field, buying the pearl... the woman who lost a coin... the shrewd manager... the fishermen, the man building on the rock, on the sand (see above) on and on and on... there is one observed rule in a parable... they all have no names. This is NOT a parable.

So what do we see here? This man knew where he was, who he was, what he had done, and he knew what he had been offered and what he had refused. He wanted to leave the place he went to, to alter the lives of the living (or his own, undoubtedly). Abraham said clearly that it does not matter where you go. You cannot leave the place you have chosen to go to, for any reason.

YOU WHO DO NOT NEED GOD : Go put your hand into a fire and count to 10... just 10. If you can't handle THAT, you want to know you won't care for Eternity apart from God. Eternity is flame higher than this FOR EVER AND EVER.
Ask Him to forgive you and come in to your heart. Get away from that fire forever. Please see one thing clearly :

YOU MUST CHOOSE NOW.

Where are you going when you die?

Come home, friend... come to God... before HE comes to you...

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